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Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:30 am
by oldshoolballer
Kalela wrote:My vote goes to Coby White. I wasn't impressed with him in SL. I don't really believe he will become a bust but he won't be a good player either.
I didn't think I would ever hear a Jayo Felony song (and this song in particular) in a Youtube basketball highlights video in 2019.
Way to early but Coby looked bad in SL on the opposite side Carsen Edwards looks like the steal of the draft
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:39 pm
by Stillwater
^ looking bad in SL when you are a combo guard is pretty much expected.
Edwards is more proven I agree but is not the better long term prospect at all.
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:46 pm
by Stillwater
HotelVitale wrote:Stillwater wrote: 1) anyone suggesting this kid does not have elite explosiveness however hasn't been paying attention to his film
Okay, watching this,
I don't see him finishing dunks he created over or through people, I don't see him having the sort of airwalking hops a lot of elite prospects have that let them glide past guys to finish. What I see is a relatively quick guard who can turn the corner and get to a dunk if he catches the D sleeping, which is awesome. But that's not the type of thing that's going to be a big asset for a small guy creating for himself against a focused defense (all of whom are bigger than him).
The part of his athleticism that gets me most interested is when he can drive, stop on a dime, and change direction to pass or finish. He has great and very quick body control and that'll help him from day one.
I'm the furthest thing from a Ja hater, but I just don't see the hops being a big asset for him in NBA games, seems like it'll be more of a secondary thing for particular situations (transition or cuts, primarily, not half court and not things he's creating for himself). His quickness and quick mind seems like it's 25 times more important for his story as a prospect, that's what gives him a chance to be really good at the next level.
you must be high
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:01 am
by gorz
HotelVitale wrote:Stillwater wrote: 1) anyone suggesting this kid does not have elite explosiveness however hasn't been paying attention to his film
Okay, watching this, I don't see him finishing dunks he created over or through people, I don't see him having the sort of airwalking hops a lot of elite prospects have that let them glide past guys to finish. What I see is a relatively quick guard who can turn the corner and get to a dunk if he catches the D sleeping, which is awesome. But that's not the type of thing that's going to be a big asset for a small guy creating for himself against a focused defense (all of whom are bigger than him).
The part of his athleticism that gets me most interested is when he can drive, stop on a dime, and change direction to pass or finish. He has great and very quick body control and that'll help him from day one.
I'm the furthest thing from a Ja hater, but I just don't see the hops being a big asset for him in NBA games, seems like it'll be more of a secondary thing for particular situations (transition or cuts, primarily, not half court and not things he's creating for himself). His quickness and quick mind seems like it's 25 times more important for his story as a prospect, that's what gives him a chance to be really good at the next level.
Agreed..I don't see him finishing in traffic. Lou Williams was super athletic coming out of high school never seen him replicate dunks in the league. Brandon Jennings same story. ITs not so much athelticism but his frail frame.
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:36 pm
by Stillwater
gorz wrote:HotelVitale wrote:Stillwater wrote: 1) anyone suggesting this kid does not have elite explosiveness however hasn't been paying attention to his film
Okay, watching this, I don't see him finishing dunks he created over or through people, I don't see him having the sort of airwalking hops a lot of elite prospects have that let them glide past guys to finish. What I see is a relatively quick guard who can turn the corner and get to a dunk if he catches the D sleeping, which is awesome. But that's not the type of thing that's going to be a big asset for a small guy creating for himself against a focused defense (all of whom are bigger than him).
The part of his athleticism that gets me most interested is when he can drive, stop on a dime, and change direction to pass or finish. He has great and very quick body control and that'll help him from day one.
I'm the furthest thing from a Ja hater, but I just don't see the hops being a big asset for him in NBA games, seems like it'll be more of a secondary thing for particular situations (transition or cuts, primarily, not half court and not things he's creating for himself). His quickness and quick mind seems like it's 25 times more important for his story as a prospect, that's what gives him a chance to be really good at the next level.
Agreed..I don't see him finishing in traffic. Lou Williams was super athletic coming out of high school never seen him replicate dunks in the league. Brandon Jennings same story. ITs not so much athelticism but his frail frame.
maybe if concerns about injury have griz trying to put governor on him early in his career sure you wont see it as often but the reasoning is bad.. to suggest he has a "weak" frame is add odd statement and anything but real. skinny yep , wired up strong big time. wait until he adds 15 more lbs of high twitch abd he'll be posterizing Gobert.
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:58 pm
by Village Idiot
Fischella wrote:bust in relation to either draft range or expectations
Ja Morant, not expecting him to be bad, but just adequate/solid starter and not the star people are hoping for
Darius Garland, same as with Ja kinda
De'Andre Hunter, solid player but not worth the selection and esp not what the Hawks gave up for him
Rui Hachimura, Cam Reddish, they could be NBA players for a while but just totally meh
Nas Little, gonna be out of the league quick, mid 20s is too low to be a bust though
I share your assessment of this draft. It wasn't a very good one. Literally every single guy in the lottery has a lot of question marks.
LIttle actually got drafted into an ideal situation for him. Stotts and his staff have done a great job of developing players. Allen Crabbe was picked 40th and developed into a guy making $18.5 million a year. Layman drafted mid 2nd rounder and got a second contract with Minnesota. Collins has become a rotation player and supplanted Aminu in the playoffs making him expendable. You can't ask for better leaders and mentors than Lillard, McCollum, Bazemore and Tolliver. It entirely possible Little fails but he has the tools and the perfect environment into which he can thrive.
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:38 pm
by Stillwater
Village Idiot wrote:Fischella wrote:bust in relation to either draft range or expectations
Ja Morant, not expecting him to be bad, but just adequate/solid starter and not the star people are hoping for
Darius Garland, same as with Ja kinda
De'Andre Hunter, solid player but not worth the selection and esp not what the Hawks gave up for him
Rui Hachimura, Cam Reddish, they could be NBA players for a while but just totally meh
Nas Little, gonna be out of the league quick, mid 20s is too low to be a bust though
I share your assessment of this draft. It wasn't a very good one. Literally every single guy in the lottery has a lot of question marks.
LIttle actually got drafted into an ideal situation for him. Stotts and his staff have done a great job of developing players. Allen Crabbe was picked 40th and developed into a guy making $18.5 million a year. Layman drafted mid 2nd rounder and got a second contract with Minnesota. Collins has become a rotation player and supplanted Aminu in the playoffs making him expendable. You can't ask for better leaders and mentors than Lillard, McCollum, Bazemore and Tolliver. It entirely possible Little fails but he has the tools and the perfect environment into which he can thrive.
Portland has done well in picking highly motivated prospects and one's with chips on their shoulder making their "development" easier.
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:56 am
by King Ken
Prime Jeff Teague and Kevin Johnson proved that skinny explosive guys translate in terms of athleticism
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:09 am
by No-Man
Jeff Teague is **** jacked man, he is like 2 inches shorter than Morant and 20-25lbs heavier
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:30 pm
by King Ken
Fischella wrote:Jeff Teague is **** jacked man, he is like 2 inches shorter than Morant and 20-25lbs heavier
At the combine, same weight
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:31 pm
by No-Man
Again, two inches shorter and Morant is clearly wider, look at the shoulders
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:56 pm
by mattg
Stillwater wrote:Right, his court vision and BBiq at the same age is the best we have seen since Lebron James.
anyone suggesting this kid does not have elite explosiveness however hasn't been paying attention to his film
https://youtu.be/F14xI3DzDbE
Lol this is so hyperbolic. You obviously weren’t closely following prospects when Ricky Rubio was coming up. Clear cut step above morant in terms of not only vision, but also technical passing ability. As the age of a HS senior he was doing things more impressive than Morant did last year against the stacked US team in the Olympics.
It’s fine to love Morant as a prospect (though I disagree personally), but you make yourself look absolutely foolish talking like this.
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:18 am
by Stillwater
mattg wrote:Stillwater wrote:Right, his court vision and BBiq at the same age is the best we have seen since Lebron James.
anyone suggesting this kid does not have elite explosiveness however hasn't been paying attention to his film
https://youtu.be/F14xI3DzDbE
Lol this is so hyperbolic. You obviously weren’t closely following prospects when Ricky Rubio was coming up. Clear cut step above morant in terms of not only vision, but also technical passing ability. As the age of a HS senior he was doing things more impressive than Morant did last year against the stacked US team in the Olympics.
It’s fine to love Morant as a prospect (though I disagree personally), but you make yourself look absolutely foolish talking like this.
Foolish is comparing Morant to Rubio who doesn't have anything else to his game besides his elite court vision...
The point was missed as usual by the homers of specialists.
I will concede the wording I used could be cherry picked as you are doing using examples of players like Rubio.
However when taken in context the point is no other prospect since Lebron has had as much above the rim game while also possessing elite court vision. Morant is special and you will be eating twice baked crow as the years go by
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:14 am
by No-Man
Ricky is a pretty dope athlete and has great size, he has lost some burst and was never on Ja's level but let's not act like we are talking about Tyus Jones here, Ricky is 6-4, with great length, size and during his prime physically, he was a athletic
Has had a ton of injuries
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:41 am
by Stillwater
Fischella wrote:Ricky is a pretty dope athlete and has great size, he has lost some burst and was never on Ja's level but let's not act like we are talking about Tyus Jones here, Ricky is 6-4, with great length, size and during his prime physically, he was a athletic
Has had a ton of injuries
pretty dope athlete?
ok buddy
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:20 pm
by Nazrmohamed
oldshoolballer wrote:Kalela wrote:My vote goes to Coby White. I wasn't impressed with him in SL. I don't really believe he will become a bust but he won't be a good player either.
I didn't think I would ever hear a Jayo Felony song (and this song in particular) in a Youtube basketball highlights video in 2019.
Way to early but Coby looked bad in SL on the opposite side Carsen Edwards looks like the steal of the draft
Edward's had a pretty good following. It's not like he was a secret. I'm actually surprised he slid as far as he did. I wouldve sworn hed go in the mid to late 20s.
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:40 pm
by Nazrmohamed
Stillwater wrote:HotelVitale wrote:Stillwater wrote: 1) anyone suggesting this kid does not have elite explosiveness however hasn't been paying attention to his film
Okay, watching this,
I don't see him finishing dunks he created over or through people, I don't see him having the sort of airwalking hops a lot of elite prospects have that let them glide past guys to finish. What I see is a relatively quick guard who can turn the corner and get to a dunk if he catches the D sleeping, which is awesome. But that's not the type of thing that's going to be a big asset for a small guy creating for himself against a focused defense (all of whom are bigger than him).
The part of his athleticism that gets me most interested is when he can drive, stop on a dime, and change direction to pass or finish. He has great and very quick body control and that'll help him from day one.
I'm the furthest thing from a Ja hater, but I just don't see the hops being a big asset for him in NBA games, seems like it'll be more of a secondary thing for particular situations (transition or cuts, primarily, not half court and not things he's creating for himself). His quickness and quick mind seems like it's 25 times more important for his story as a prospect, that's what gives him a chance to be really good at the next level.
you must be high
I dont see what he must be high on, that was a pretty accurate analysis. In your best case scenario hes about as athletic as Iverson all around and that's probably generous. Iverson could get up but even being an offensive player at the NBA level he was throwing up floaters, shots off glass, fall aways. I think Morant has shown more vision than he had so as the guys said his rise up ability should take a back seat towards his skill.
You yourself made it seem like he was the most balanced player you've even seen since Lebron. Why would he risk relying on his athleticism unless he were a fool. Skilled players spend more time on thier skill and use thier athleticism sparingly and efficiently.
Dennis Smith Jr needs to over utilize his athleticism. Morant doesnt, and that's assuming what we saw applies outside of a mid major conference.
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:17 pm
by clyde21
i don't know if I see any outright busts in the lotto tbh
Zion - no, stud
Morant - will disappoint a bit, but still starting level
RJ - will be good/productive, will always have questions regarding his efficiency
Hunter - no, solid 3+D, possibly more
Garland - no, stud
Culver - will disappoint a bit but possibly still starting level player
Coby - good combo guard rotational guy
Hayes - no, stud
Rui - will disappoint a bit but can still be a useful guy
Cam - 3+d guy should be his baseline
Johnson - massive reach but can still be a good shooter, probably highest likelihood of busting
PJ - no, stud
Herro - no, stud
Romeo - possible disappointment here
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:02 pm
by Illmatic12
Hayes could easily be a Javale McGee . He has no idea where to be defensively and we can’t assume he develops the physicality that will be required for his game to project.
As for the rest of the class , I think pretty much everyone else are relatively high IQ players who know how to play basketball and will work hard enough to be solid NBA contributors. Just not a lot of dynamic athletes in that group, which usually limits your ceiling below superstar level
Re: Who will be the BUST of the 2019 draft class?
Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:39 am
by GreatWhiteStiff
atlantabbq99 wrote:gundysmullet wrote:Cam easily
I wouldn't call Cam a bust, you can't be a bust at #10.
Its more like if you are selected top 5 and you are not even a starter or playing in China only after a few years, that is a bust.
I think for Cam to be a bust he'd have to play pretty bad nba defence, shoot like 25% from three, high turnovers, not much inside scoring. Something like that. Not even close to nba rotational level...I think that would qualify him as a bust, maybe even a huge bust. He's still in the top10, sometimes there's not a huge difference in expectation between slot 5 and slot 10 in a draft, and in fact 10 might be ranked higher by most scouts etc.