James Wiseman

[atlantabbq99]

Wow! If this was 1995, James Wiseman would be the clear cut #1 pick. The one thing that stands out for me is that as big and long as Wise is, he doesn't look stiff in any way. We can all see his size and athleticism, but what impresses me the most is his quick feet, balance and he always seems to know where everybody is on the floor and never looks lost.

If this was the 90s, Wise would be the clear #1 on the same level as Shaq, Duncan, Ewing, David Robinson, but because this is 2020 and the center position is the least important position in the NBA now and with the success of Luka, Trae, and Tatum, I think he is going #3 or #4 just like Embiid when he was drafted.

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[Marcus]

skilled bigs or bigs with the potential to add modern day skills can still go before anyone else regardless of how the league is played. Usually only doesn't happen when dealing with a freak of an athlete at another position i.e. Wall and Rose but for the most part the league still values a big with skill over other positions. The adage that you can't teach size still exist.

JoJo went 3rd because JoJo got hurt, he was the consensus best player in that draft.

Doncic did all sorts of phenominal things and still got drafted behind Ayton and Bagley

[clyde21]

skilled bigs or bigs with the potential to add modern day skills can still go before anyone else regardless of how the league his played. Usually only doesn't happen when dealing with a freak of an athlete at another position i.e. Wall and Rose but for the most part the league still values a big with skill over other positions. The adage that you can't teach size still exist.

JoJo went 3rd because JoJo got hurt, he was the consensus best player in that draft.

Doncic did all sorts of phenominal things and still got drafted behind Ayton and Bagley

and we're all seeing how stupid that decision ended up being tho

[Illmatic12]

I was impressed with how much Wiseman has improved his strength and toughness in the paint , he’s now more able to hold his ground and crash the glass with tenacity. Defensive instincts seemed like they are much improved as well. He’s not someone you want shooting outside yet but I’m sure he will show enough jumpshot potential in his workouts.

He’s definitely going to be in play for #1 pick .. ultimately it depends on whoever wins the lottery. Memphis, NOP, NYK would probably opt to draft Cole or Antman at #1

[Marcus]

skilled bigs or bigs with the potential to add modern day skills can still go before anyone else regardless of how the league is played. Usually only doesn't happen when dealing with a freak of an athlete at another position i.e. Wall and Rose but for the most part the league still values a big with skill over other positions. The adage that you can't teach size still exist.

JoJo went 3rd because JoJo got hurt, he was the consensus best player in that draft.

Doncic did all sorts of phenominal things and still got drafted behind Ayton and Bagley

and we're all seeing how stupid that decision ended up being tho

As much as the NBA draft mind has evolved and is improving there is still plenty of old school mentality left in the minds of the decision makers. This as a thought process isn't something i think goes away anytime soon.

[clyde21]

skilled bigs or bigs with the potential to add modern day skills can still go before anyone else regardless of how the league is played. Usually only doesn't happen when dealing with a freak of an athlete at another position i.e. Wall and Rose but for the most part the league still values a big with skill over other positions. The adage that you can't teach size still exist.

JoJo went 3rd because JoJo got hurt, he was the consensus best player in that draft.

Doncic did all sorts of phenominal things and still got drafted behind Ayton and Bagley

and we're all seeing how stupid that decision ended up being tho

As much as the NBA draft mind has evolved and is improving there is still plenty of old school mentality left in the minds of the decision makers. This as a thought process isn't something i think goes away anytime soon.

i mentioned this on draft thread on the GSW board, but since 2012 these are the bigs (centers) drafted top5:

Anthony Davis
Cody Zeller
Alex Len
Karl-Anthony Towns
Jahlil Okafor
Kristaps Porzingis
Joel Embiid
Deandre Ayton
Marvin Bagley
Jaren Jackson Jr

who are the busts on there? Zeller, Len and Okafor...guys who are neither legitimate 3-level scorers/playmakers or defensive forces.

two guys are also kinda in that mold, Ayton and Bagley, and in a 2018 redraft there's a good chance neither goes top 5 again.

we're left with Davis, Towns, KP, Embiid, and JJJ

Davis, Embiid, and JJJ were seen as ELITE defenders, while Towns and KP were seen as elite multi-level scorers and offensive players.

so...the question is...does Wiseman project to be either 1) an elite defender or 2) an elite multi-level offensive player? if he doesn't, you really shouldn't be taking him that high in today's NBA.

[atlantabbq99]

skilled bigs or bigs with the potential to add modern day skills can still go before anyone else regardless of how the league is played. Usually only doesn't happen when dealing with a freak of an athlete at another position i.e. Wall and Rose but for the most part the league still values a big with skill over other positions. The adage that you can't teach size still exist.

JoJo went 3rd because JoJo got hurt, he was the consensus best player in that draft.

Doncic did all sorts of phenominal things and still got drafted behind Ayton and Bagley

This is just a stupid point. You can't take anybody seriously if this is your actual argument. Just look at what Doncic, Trae, and Tatum are doing right now.

[Marcus]

skilled bigs or bigs with the potential to add modern day skills can still go before anyone else regardless of how the league is played. Usually only doesn't happen when dealing with a freak of an athlete at another position i.e. Wall and Rose but for the most part the league still values a big with skill over other positions. The adage that you can't teach size still exist.

JoJo went 3rd because JoJo got hurt, he was the consensus best player in that draft.

Doncic did all sorts of phenominal things and still got drafted behind Ayton and Bagley

This is just a stupid point. You can't take anybody seriously if this is your actual argument. Just look at what Doncic, Trae, and Tatum are doing right now.

I see you clearly didn't follow the conversation when that same point was quoted earlier. I'll let you catch up before I respond. If you still need help let me know.

[orlandomanic]

Wiseman is a treat to watch. Their is very little to criticize about his first game. Because of his size he is the safe pick of the draft. This kind of reminds me of when Bogut was in the draft, who was also considered the safe pick for his draft class.

I don't agree with the OP, I think the center position can still do a lot in the new NBA, just look at the new slim Dwight in LA. Dwight still has no jumper but he has slimmed down and is a lot faster and more productive per minute then he has been the last few years. Wiseman can be a better elite version of that.

[orlandomanic]

JoJo went 3rd because JoJo got hurt, he was the consensus best player in that draft.

Doncic did all sorts of phenominal things and still got drafted behind Ayton and Bagley

As for a post, this is a fail. Two bad points that don't make sense. You lost all credibility now from here on out, and not worth reading anything more from posters like this.

[Marcus]

JoJo went 3rd because JoJo got hurt, he was the consensus best player in that draft.

Doncic did all sorts of phenominal things and still got drafted behind Ayton and Bagley

As for a post, this is a fail. Two bad points that don't make sense. You lost all credibility now from here on out, and not worth reading anything more from posters like this.

I'll allow you to catch up as well just to be consistent. Troll watch is on though.

[HeadtopChunes]

My impression of Wiseman so far is that he’s huge and fairly coordinated and shooting touch is okay too.

I expect him to be a decent roll man and maybe an okay pick and pop guy. Haven’t seen much in the way of post offense or passing so far.

His defense should also be okay, fairly mobile, big with a huge wingspan should be able to alter shots at the rim and he does get on the glass.

But nothing about him sticks out as elite to me, I don’t think he’s got the explosiveness to be a great roller or expect him to be a sniper like KAT

His explosiveness and awareness don’t scream dominant rim protector to me either and he’s not gonna be a switch guy with how slow he is turning his hips.

Probably still take him pretty high up in the lottery but I don’t think he’s a franchise changing type talent.

[shakes0]

skilled bigs or bigs with the potential to add modern day skills can still go before anyone else regardless of how the league is played. Usually only doesn't happen when dealing with a freak of an athlete at another position i.e. Wall and Rose but for the most part the league still values a big with skill over other positions. The adage that you can't teach size still exist.

JoJo went 3rd because JoJo got hurt, he was the consensus best player in that draft.

Doncic did all sorts of phenominal things and still got drafted behind Ayton and Bagley

This is just a stupid point. You can't take anybody seriously if this is your actual argument. Just look at what Doncic, Trae, and Tatum are doing right now.

I see you clearly didn't follow the conversation when that same point was quoted earlier. I'll let you catch up before I respond. If you still need help let me know.

yea, I've never seen someone so blatantly miss the point as bad as this.

[NotMyKawhi]

This is not AD, kAT, or even Ayton. I don't see #1 overall pick

[radtech]

Is he the second coming of Mo Bamba?

Big and athletic, hits some jumpers, limited post moves, and short college resume.

[nybluemeadow]

Wiseman looks good. I don't think he will be hitting 3s on any level, but I think he could be a rich man's Jermaine O'Neal.

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[King Ken]

Extremely high bust potential but exceptional talent. I wouldn't start him in year 1

[No-Man]

I think he can be Hassan Whiteside without the character concerns

[Marcus]

Extremely high bust potential but exceptional talent. I wouldn't start him in year 1

In what way do you see bust potential?