Killian Hayes, most complete PG of the 2020 class

europeannbafan · Post #81 » by **europeannbafan** » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:51 pm

His measurement in 2018 nba global camp was 6'4 without shoes (6'5.5 in shoes and 6'8.25 wingspan)

Catchall · Post #82 » by **Catchall** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:02 am

He's my favorite of the PGs I've checked out in this class so far.

tarantism · Post #83 » by **tarantism** » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:46 am

Really hoping the Warriors take him. He would have time to develop and I love the system fit.

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The-Power · Post #84 » by **The-Power** » Wed Apr 1, 2020 12:16 pm

Watch on YouTube

MemphisX · Post #85 » by **MemphisX** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 4:02 am

Does he do anything with his off hand?

atlantabbq99 · Post #86 » by **atlantabbq99** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 4:32 am

Killian looks like he has a really bad jump shot, his form doesn't look good. I'm not sure if I'm reading the box scores correctly, but is he only shooting 16% from three this year in the Euro league?

MotownMadness · Post #87 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 3:03 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:Killian looks like he has a really bad jump shot, his form doesn't look good. I'm not sure if I'm reading the box scores correctly, but is he only shooting 16% from three this year in the Euro league?

Looks like hes got a 48/29/87 split

remi_222 · Post #88 » by **remi_222** » Fri Apr 3, 2020 3:26 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:Killian looks like he has a really bad jump shot, his form doesn't look good. I'm not sure if I'm reading the box scores correctly, but is he only shooting 16% from three this year in the Euro league?

Shooting form is always something to work on at such a young age !shouldnt be a problem

The-Power · Post #89 » by **The-Power** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 12:59 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:Killian looks like he has a really bad jump shot, his form doesn't look good. I'm not sure if I'm reading the box scores correctly, but is he only shooting 16% from three this year in the Euro league?

Hayes played EuroCup this year and shot 39% (16/41) from 3. Only 22% (12/55) in the German first division, though, which means 29% on the season. But yeah, his form needs to be adjusted. What I will say, though, is that he is a player that seems to be shooting better when it's an in-game situation. I've seen him badly brick a lot of shots during shoot-arounds and was surprised he was confident and shooting better (incl. how the shots look) during the games. I normally would be more worried about his shot but the one thing that makes me somewhat confident in his ability to develop in this regard is his free-throw shooting. He's 87% (72/83) on FTs this season, which is impressive especially for his age. He clearly has a natural shooting touch (evidenced also by some on his floaters) that should allow him to improve gradually.

TheBunk · Post #90 » by **TheBunk** » Tue Apr 7, 2020 3:33 am

I just don't see what's not to like. Especially in a draft like this. His feel for the game, especially, is wonderful.

MemphisX · Post #91 » by **MemphisX** » Tue Apr 7, 2020 3:41 am

I really don’t understand how people are so excited about a PG prospect that can’t pass or finish with his off hand.

getrichordie · Post #92 » by **getrichordie** » Tue Apr 7, 2020 4:10 am

Fischella wrote:Harden is not a PG, he is at his best defending PFs

Beaubois, Douglas and de Colo are all straight up 2s

Wait, what? Since when isn't Harden a point guard?

RiotPunch · Post #93 » by **RiotPunch** » Tue Apr 7, 2020 4:36 am

getrichordie wrote:
Fischella wrote:Harden is not a PG, he is at his best defending PFs

Beaubois, Douglas and de Colo are all straight up 2s

Wait, what? Since when isn't Harden a point guard?

The ol' 'you are what you can defend' adage.

atlantabbq99 · Post #94 » by **atlantabbq99** » Tue Apr 7, 2020 5:57 am

MemphisX wrote:I really don’t understand how people are so excited about a PG prospect that can’t pass or finish with his off hand.

I agree, the more I watch Killian, the more that he looks very ordinary and looks alot like Exum.

The-Power · Post #95 » by **The-Power** » Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:15 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:I really don’t understand how people are so excited about a PG prospect that can’t pass or finish with his off hand.

I agree, the more I watch Killian, the more that he looks very ordinary and looks alot like Exum.

How is he anything like Exum? Completely different strengths-weaknesses-profile.

getrichordie · Post #96 » by **getrichordie** » Wed Apr 8, 2020 12:44 pm

The-Power wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:I really don’t understand how people are so excited about a PG prospect that can’t pass or finish with his off hand.

I agree, the more I watch Killian, the more that he looks very ordinary and looks alot like Exum.

How is he anything like Exum? Completely different strengths-weaknesses-profile.

Same skin tone. Same height. Same wingspan. Both are combo guards. /s

Post #97 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Apr 8, 2020 3:45 pm

The-Power wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:Killian looks like he has a really bad jump shot, his form doesn't look good. I'm not sure if I'm reading the box scores correctly, but is he only shooting 16% from three this year in the Euro league?

Hayes played EuroCup this year and shot 39% (16/41) from 3. Only 22% (12/55) in the German first division, though, which means 29% on the season. But yeah, his form needs to be adjusted. What I will say, though, is that he is a player that seems to be shooting better when it's an in-game situation. I've seen him badly brick a lot of shots during shoot-arounds and was surprised he was confident and shooting better (incl. how the shots look) during the games. I normally would be more worried about his shot but the one thing that makes me somewhat confident in his ability to develop in this regard is his free-throw shooting. He's 87% (72/83) on FTs this season, which is impressive especially for his age. He clearly has a natural shooting touch (evidenced also by some on his floaters) that should allow him to improve gradually.

Good info about his shot, and the kid's still going to be 18 on draft day - assuming it's not postponed. I want to see if he's grown any by then.

The-Power · Post #98 » by **The-Power** » Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:08 pm

Ruzious wrote:Good info about his shot, and the kid's still going to be 18 on draft day - assuming it's not postponed. I want to see if he's grown any by then.

Two interesting comments by the sporting director of Ulm (his current team) about Hayes (take it for what it's worth).

First, he specifically noted that Hayes' jumper off the dribble is already a weapon but that he struggles a bit in catch-and-shoot situations. Which more or less confirms my previous point that Hayes looks comfortable shooting during (where he mostly shoots off the dribble) and bad shooting during pre-game shoot-arounds (where he mostly takes catch-and-shoot jumpers). Usually the opposite is true for prospects and it's definitely easier to go from bad to solid/good in catch-and-shoot situations than it is to do the same for off-dribble jumpers, because the former is obviously much more repetitive. That bodes well.

Second, he noted that Hayes doesn't really have confidence in his right hand at this point and that's why he overuses his left hand, plays more conservatively with his right hand and why defenders sometimes had an easier time defending him than they should have. This has been a valid and recurring criticism of Hayes. But, the sporting director noted, this is really a matter of confidence because his right hand is actually quite good – it's just that Hayes isn't comfortable using it more regularly in game-situations yet. If true, he should be able to be – and become – more ambidextrous once he gets his confidence in his right hand up, as it's not really a matter of whether he can develop the skills.

atlantabbq99 · Post #99 » by **atlantabbq99** » Wed Apr 8, 2020 8:48 pm

getrichordie wrote:
The-Power wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:

I agree, the more I watch Killian, the more that he looks very ordinary and looks alot like Exum.

How is he anything like Exum? Completely different strengths-weaknesses-profile.

Same skin tone. Same height. Same wingspan. Both are combo guards. /s

Both, athletic, good ball handling. poor shooters, both over hyped.

No-Man · Post #100 » by **No-Man** » Wed Apr 8, 2020 9:49 pm

I am really not sure if you are trolling or you just need a new set of eyes, you can't be like this wrong unless it's on purpose