RiotPunch wrote:getrichordie wrote:RiotPunch wrote:Probably no convincing you at this point, but I think you are focusing way too much on the negatives with Bane.
Removing the length/finishing/lateral quickness issues (and those are legitimate), you have:
-Arguably the best overall shooter in the class, considering shot versatility profile. Elite movement shooter, great pull-up, great C&S, etc.
-A more than capable ancillary playmaker out of PnR, a very decisive passer.
-A highly intelligent and communicative team defender, one of the best off-ball defenders in this class. Pristine rotations, switchability, disruptive in passing lanes.
-A player with impeccable footwork.
-A 22 year old, 6'5" wing with a rumored standing reach of 8'4" and a 41" max vertical, with an NBA-ready body.
It's a copycat league, and teams are going to try to replicate the Bucks' drop coverage which encourages funneling players from the perimeter to the paint, where they meet your rim-protector. Just an example, but this mitigates the importance of on-ball defense, and amplifies the importance of team defense, where Bane flourishes.
Drafting that guy Top-25 is not insane at all, IMO. Having a 36 spot difference in ranking between Nesmith and Bane sounds more insane to me than that.
Am I supposed to be impressed by a 8’4 standing reach?
It’s one thing to succeed in certain areas in college and another thing in the NBA.
Bane’s passing out of P&R is entirely dependent on his threat as a driver. In the NBA, he won’t be a threat because his change of direction is way too bad.
I understand what drop coverage is, but I don’t think you understand Bane’s physical limitations. He gets away with having short arms at the college level, but if you think that is going to work at the NBA level, you are going to be surprised when players are scoring over the top of him with ease and he’s a non-factor in the land of giants.
If he was as good as you say he is, he would have already been drafted, yet here we are with Bane as a 4-year college guy.
It helps ease the blow of his 6' 4.25" wingspan. He has basically identical length measurables to Svi Mykhailiuk while being stronger and more athletic than Svi. A couple of other guys with 8'4" S/R include Dillon Brooks and Joe Harris.
It is not entirely based on his threat as a driver, he has the threat of a pull-up which will allow him to manipulate defenders and create passing lanes.
I don't think his athletic shortcomings are as damning as you make them out to be. He actually has impressive vertical pop, he is just limited laterally, and his standing reach is sufficient for him to survive in the land of the giants, IMO.
I see what you are saying about easing the blow. But can you show me footage of his pull-up shooting? I've seen him hit ONE pull-up 3 and 1 step back 3. The vast majority of his 3s come on C&S from what I've seen. Not sure how that is considered versatile. Most of them being wide open, but he has shown he can hit 3s when contested.
I do buy his ability to hit 3s off of movement and defend really well off-ball and run P&Rs in emergency situations, but wouldn't ask him to reliably run actions. I do think he can bother shots at the rim sometimes, but overall, I just don't see that as being such a positive trait that it is a factor when deciding whether or not to take him over another guy. I do think you can count on him not being a complete dud on either end of the floor if he needs to fill minutes for an injured guy.
Also, his FT% isn't great for a senior guard.