Re: Future Draft Classes (Prospects) II
Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:03 pm
Is Emoni Bates going to reclassify?
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Fischella wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:I think this is Roy Williams really struggles with top tier recruits
When is the last time that Roy had a top tier recruit, let's be real man
Fischella wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:I think this is Roy Williams really struggles with top tier recruits
When is the last time that Roy had a top tier recruit, let's be real man
Duke4life831 wrote:Fischella wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:I think this is Roy Williams really struggles with top tier recruits
When is the last time that Roy had a top tier recruit, let's be real man
Cole Anthony
Nassir Little
Justin Jackson
James Michael McAdoo
Harrison Barnes
Those are all of the top 10 recruits of the last decade Roy has gotten. All of them saw their draft stock plummet at UNC. I will say Cole is the one that really is pretty different, he was given a pretty long leash but was just bad. Those are just the top 10 guys, the list gets a lot longer if we drop it down to top 15 guys.
Coby White is kind of the only freshman to come into UNC and bump up his draft stock. Maybe Tony Bradley a little. I mean I dont think Im being too much of a Duke homer to say Roy and elite freshman talent haven't really meshed all that well over the last decade.
peZt wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:Fischella wrote:When is the last time that Roy had a top tier recruit, let's be real man
Cole Anthony
Nassir Little
Justin Jackson
James Michael McAdoo
Harrison Barnes
Those are all of the top 10 recruits of the last decade Roy has gotten. All of them saw their draft stock plummet at UNC. I will say Cole is the one that really is pretty different, he was given a pretty long leash but was just bad. Those are just the top 10 guys, the list gets a lot longer if we drop it down to top 15 guys.
Coby White is kind of the only freshman to come into UNC and bump up his draft stock. Maybe Tony Bradley a little. I mean I dont think Im being too much of a Duke homer to say Roy and elite freshman talent haven't really meshed all that well over the last decade.
Are they really elite? Just because they've been ranked at the top? It's not Roy Williams' fault when high school rankings are **** and hyped up High School players turn out to be trash. You could blame him for not scouting properly and recognizing that they are overhyped- But not for his coaching. He didn't make them bad or plummet their stock. They were bad in the first place
Duke4life831 wrote:Fischella wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:I think this is Roy Williams really struggles with top tier recruits
When is the last time that Roy had a top tier recruit, let's be real man
Cole Anthony
Nassir Little
Justin Jackson
James Michael McAdoo
Harrison Barnes
Those are all of the top 10 recruits of the last decade Roy has gotten. All of them saw their draft stock plummet at UNC. I will say Cole is the one that really is pretty different, he was given a pretty long leash but was just bad. Those are just the top 10 guys, the list gets a lot longer if we drop it down to top 15 guys.
Coby White is kind of the only freshman to come into UNC and bump up his draft stock. Maybe Tony Bradley a little. I mean I dont think Im being too much of a Duke homer to say Roy and elite freshman talent haven't really meshed all that well over the last decade.
clyde21 wrote:lol, so they were all just ranked incorrectly?
people on this board LOVED Cole and Nas coming out of HS, btw, including Fisch who now will pretend he didn't.
jman3134 wrote:Roy Williams' player development is known to be terrible. He plays a very specific style and players are forced into that box, instead of molding his style to the players he is recruiting; or, alternatively, making in-game adjustments.
clyde21 wrote:peZt wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
Cole Anthony
Nassir Little
Justin Jackson
James Michael McAdoo
Harrison Barnes
Those are all of the top 10 recruits of the last decade Roy has gotten. All of them saw their draft stock plummet at UNC. I will say Cole is the one that really is pretty different, he was given a pretty long leash but was just bad. Those are just the top 10 guys, the list gets a lot longer if we drop it down to top 15 guys.
Coby White is kind of the only freshman to come into UNC and bump up his draft stock. Maybe Tony Bradley a little. I mean I dont think Im being too much of a Duke homer to say Roy and elite freshman talent haven't really meshed all that well over the last decade.
Are they really elite? Just because they've been ranked at the top? It's not Roy Williams' fault when high school rankings are **** and hyped up High School players turn out to be trash. You could blame him for not scouting properly and recognizing that they are overhyped- But not for his coaching. He didn't make them bad or plummet their stock. They were bad in the first place
lol, so they were all just ranked incorrectly?
people on this board LOVED Cole and Nas coming out of HS, btw, including Fisch who now will pretend he didn't.
peZt wrote:clyde21 wrote:peZt wrote:
Are they really elite? Just because they've been ranked at the top? It's not Roy Williams' fault when high school rankings are **** and hyped up High School players turn out to be trash. You could blame him for not scouting properly and recognizing that they are overhyped- But not for his coaching. He didn't make them bad or plummet their stock. They were bad in the first place
lol, so they were all just ranked incorrectly?
people on this board LOVED Cole and Nas coming out of HS, btw, including Fisch who now will pretend he didn't.
You act like players are always ranked accordingly coming from High School. Just look at 2012, it's full of busts
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2012/view/super60/sort/rank/order/true
Players don't forget how to play Basketball in a year. Roy Williams didn't suck every last drop of Basketball skill out of their bodys for them to never recover. Some people are injured for 2 years and come back close to their old level. But High School kids will forever lose all of their Basketball skills just because they played under Roy Williams for a year?
Fischella wrote:jman3134 wrote:Roy Williams' player development is known to be terrible. He plays a very specific style and players are forced into that box, instead of molding his style to the players he is recruiting; or, alternatively, making in-game adjustments.
lmao, Roy has slipped like everybody but he has the best track record developing guys that stay out of all the blue blood coaches by a lot
sure he is not flexible, neither are K, nor Cal, and a whole lot of college coaches
Roy is flawed, but the arguments used against him are just wrong from the basics, if anything be harsh on him for being bad at identifying talent at HS levels
jman3134 wrote:
Fwiw, Coach K is also terrible at player development of his cursory players, but probably not to the extent of Roy.
Fischella wrote:jman3134 wrote:
Fwiw, Coach K is also terrible at player development of his cursory players, but probably not to the extent of Roy.
you must not follow college bball, Roy has many more cases of guys who improved their stocks uunder him than K
Fischella wrote:jman3134 wrote:Roy Williams' player development is known to be terrible. He plays a very specific style and players are forced into that box, instead of molding his style to the players he is recruiting; or, alternatively, making in-game adjustments.
lmao, Roy has slipped like everybody but he has the best track record developing guys that stay out of all the blue blood coaches by a lot
sure he is not flexible, neither are K, nor Cal, and a whole lot of college coaches
Roy is flawed, but the arguments used against him are just wrong from the basics, if anything be harsh on him for being bad at identifying talent at HS levels
MemphisX wrote:Is Emoni Bates going to reclassify?
Duke4life831 wrote:clyde21 wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:Gonzaga is in that sweet spot right now from a college fan perspective. This reminds me of Duke in the early 2010s. Gonzaga is in that nice sweet spot of having a team built around damn good 3-4 year players, then one elite freshman tossed in. Kind of like the 2011 Duke team when they had Kyrie Irving tossed in with Nolan Smith, Kyle Singler, Mason Plumlee, Ryan Kelly and so on.
Dont ge me wrong I loved that 2015 championship team and I really enjoyed that Zion young team. But man I loved how that 2011 Duke team was built, very curious what they couldve done without that Kyrie injury.
This year's Gonzaga team reminds me of that kind of roster. Just speaking from a college basketball fan perspective, those are my favorite teams to watch. Sallis is going to fit in very well with Gonzaga.
yea, I think that really should've been their model, but UK and Duke just ended up hoarding all the top recruits and started trottin out like 4/5 freshmen and it's been all downhill from there
K and Cal just stopped being college coaches. They became full-time recruiters, that is it. No more development for the non stars. It just became make way for the new 4-5 incoming freshmen, everyone else on the team kind of just figure it out or transfer. Then I think both guys felt like they had such a talent advantage, just roll the ball out there and let the talent advantage be the thing that wins the game.
Ive been watching Suggs all year with this Gonzaga team and thinking to myself, this is essentially the 2011 Duke team. This is how the top tier college programs should be doing it. Its a perfect mix of elite 3-4 year college players mixed with an elite freshman NBA prospect. And you got an elite coach that knows how to handle that balance perfectly. Where Suggs isnt being lost in the system (I think this is Roy Williams really struggles with top tier recruits), but he also isnt this overwhelming force that crushes the system. Few is doing a great job at showing Suggs skills off, while also coaching his team to win. Huge fan of this Gonzaga team.
clyde21 wrote:so regarding Zags next year, assumption is Suggs/Kispert/Ayayi are leaving, everyone else returning
adding Sallis and Chet to the roster (+ any transfer), next year's team might be just as good, it's absurd.