Haliburton

[EvanZ]

he's Warriors version Iguodala to me, he can play that role, that's why i want him on on this team

Well this is setting yourself up for disappointment.

[babyjax13]

The player comps in this thread are just bizarre.

[clyde21]

he's Warriors version Iguodala to me, he can play that role, that's why i want him on on this team

Well this is setting yourself up for disappointment.

why can't he play the Iggy role?

[Catchall]

Isn't the hope that Haliburton will be something akin to SGA? He doesn't have the size, length, strength and explosive athleticism that Iggy had. Iggy could defend 4 positions and was a legit slasher on offense.

[clyde21]

Isn't the hope that Haliburton will be something akin to SGA? He doesn't have the size, length, strength and explosive athleticism that Iggy had. Iggy could defend 4 positions and was a legit slasher on offense.

thats why I said WARRIORS iggy

[getrichordie]

Isn't the hope that Haliburton will be something akin to SGA? He doesn't have the size, length, strength and explosive athleticism that Iggy had. Iggy could defend 4 positions and was a legit slasher on offense.

thats why I said WARRIORS iggy

I kind of can see what you are talking about because Iggy was a glue guy but he could play all 5 positions for GSW. I don't think Haliburton ever has that kind of versatility nor athleticism (even Warriors' Iggy athleticism).

[EvanZ]

he's Warriors version Iguodala to me, he can play that role, that's why i want him on on this team

Well this is setting yourself up for disappointment.

why can't he play the Iggy role?

You mean why can't he guard LeBron in the Finals? Hmm let me think.

[Catchall]

I don't really see an Iguodala in this draft, but you might be able to get some of the same impact with Okoro.

[clyde21]

Well this is setting yourself up for disappointment.

why can't he play the Iggy role?

You mean why can't he guard LeBron in the Finals? Hmm let me think.

oh so he can't guard the possible GOAT, throw the comp out the window

[clyde21]

Isn't the hope that Haliburton will be something akin to SGA? He doesn't have the size, length, strength and explosive athleticism that Iggy had. Iggy could defend 4 positions and was a legit slasher on offense.

thats why I said WARRIORS iggy

I kind of can see what you are talking about because Iggy was a glue guy but he could play all 5 positions for GSW. I don't think Haliburton ever has that kind of versatility nor athleticism (even Warriors' Iggy athleticism).

5 positions? iggy didn't play 5 positions for the warriors what the heck are you all talking about?

Iggy in the death lineup was our 1, same position that Haliburton would play...outside of that he was a wing/secondary handler who defended primarily on the perimeter

[getrichordie]

thats why I said WARRIORS iggy

I kind of can see what you are talking about because Iggy was a glue guy but he could play all 5 positions for GSW. I don't think Haliburton ever has that kind of versatility nor athleticism (even Warriors' Iggy athleticism).

5 positions? iggy didn't play 5 positions for the warriors what the heck are you all talking about?

Iggy in the death lineup was our 1, same position that Haliburton would play...outside of that he was a wing/secondary handler who defended primarily on the perimeter

Didn't say he played all 5 positions. I'm saying he could play all 5 for GSW.

[clyde21]

^ no, he couldn't, Iguodala never really guarded PFs so Cs so I'm not sure what you're talking about, he was primarily a perimeter defender on guards/wings, that was the majority of his role defensively

Haliburton is a 6-5 swingman with a 7 foot wingspan that can defend 1-3, is good at the POA and in help defense, high bbiq, can run offense/pass, and hit open shots

that's like literally what Iguodala was for us in GS...by the time he got to GS Iguodala's game was muchhhh more about finesse and IQ than it was about speed and athleticism.

[babyjax13]

^ no, he couldn't, Iguodala never really guarded PFs so Cs so I'm not sure what you're talking about, he was primarily a perimeter defender on guards/wings, that was the majority of his role defensively

Haliburton is a 6-5 swingman with a 7 foot wingspan that can defend 1-3, is good at the POA and in help defense, high bbiq, can run offense/pass, and hit open shots

that's like literally what Iguodala was for us in GS...by the time he got to GS Iguodala's game was muchhhh more about finesse and IQ than it was about speed and athleticism.

Halliburton can switch onto perimeter players, but he's not strong like Iggy was and will be at a mismatch disadvantage when he goes onto stronger guys (not just bigger guys). They just really aren't similar players, even if their skillsets are being smart + playing solid defense. Haliburton is a way better passer, even old Iggy was still a pretty monstrous defender out on the perimeter - don't think Haliburton will be that disruptive. If anything, Haliburton is more like Shaun Livingston with a jumper and slightly less length + more bounce. I love him to death, I just don't see the player you see.

[clyde21]

^ no, he couldn't, Iguodala never really guarded PFs so Cs so I'm not sure what you're talking about, he was primarily a perimeter defender on guards/wings, that was the majority of his role defensively

Haliburton is a 6-5 swingman with a 7 foot wingspan that can defend 1-3, is good at the POA and in help defense, high bbiq, can run offense/pass, and hit open shots

that's like literally what Iguodala was for us in GS...by the time he got to GS Iguodala's game was muchhhh more about finesse and IQ than it was about speed and athleticism.

Halliburton can switch onto perimeter players, but he's not strong like Iggy was and will be at a mismatch disadvantage when he goes onto stronger guys (not just bigger guys). They just really aren't similar players, even if their skillsets are being smart + playing solid defense. Haliburton is a way better passer, even old Iggy was still a pretty monstrous defender out on the perimeter - don't think Haliburton will be that disruptive. If anything, Haliburton is more like Shaun Livingston with a jumper and slightly less length + more bounce. I love him to death, I just don't see the player you see.

nah, Liv was much more on ball than either Iggy or Hali, Liv had a real live dribble and mid-range game that Hali will never have, also Liv never even attempted 3s, at least Iggy will and make them, Liv was also at the POA defensively but wasn't a guy to really disrupt and create transition opps like Iggy and Hali can

also Iggy is a great passer, super cerebral and can run offense, he essentially ran point on our Death Lineups for 4 years.

again, we're talking about roles here...for Hali he can come in, defend 1-3, take point when we need him to, be a spot-up shooter off-ball and run in transition...that's literally the Iguodala role for the Warriors

[babyjax13]

^ no, he couldn't, Iguodala never really guarded PFs so Cs so I'm not sure what you're talking about, he was primarily a perimeter defender on guards/wings, that was the majority of his role defensively

Haliburton is a 6-5 swingman with a 7 foot wingspan that can defend 1-3, is good at the POA and in help defense, high bbiq, can run offense/pass, and hit open shots

that's like literally what Iguodala was for us in GS...by the time he got to GS Iguodala's game was muchhhh more about finesse and IQ than it was about speed and athleticism.

Halliburton can switch onto perimeter players, but he's not strong like Iggy was and will be at a mismatch disadvantage when he goes onto stronger guys (not just bigger guys). They just really aren't similar players, even if their skillsets are being smart + playing solid defense. Haliburton is a way better passer, even old Iggy was still a pretty monstrous defender out on the perimeter - don't think Haliburton will be that disruptive. If anything, Haliburton is more like Shaun Livingston with a jumper and slightly less length + more bounce. I love him to death, I just don't see the player you see.

nah, Liv was much more on ball than either Iggy or Hali, Liv had a real live dribble and mid-range game that Hali will never have, also Liv never even attempted 3s, at least Iggy will and make them, Liv was also at the POA defensively but wasn't a guy to really disrupt and create transition opps like Iggy and Hali can

also Iggy is a great passer, super cerebral and can run offense, he essentially ran point on our Death Lineups for 4 years.

again, we're talking about roles here...for Hali he can come in, defend 1-3, take point when we need him to, be a spot-up shooter off-ball and run in transition...that's literally the Iguodala role for the Warriors

Fair enough on roles, although I don't think you'd ideally be slotting him in as anything but a 1 that can switch when needed, maybe occasionally a 2 next to steph. Per most accurate comp, I think it's Lonzo Ball with a jumper, someone who is elite at pinging the ball around the court without having to dominate it. Halli is a bit more shifty/less bulky, so it isn't perfect. I'm excited to see him in the league. I do think he is a good fit for GSW.

[CP War Hawks]

I wanted to comp TH with SL considering the body archetype being my main argument. SL pre injury was way more explosive vertically and horizontally. TH will need to gain 20+ w/o losing much foot speed. He relies way too much on leaners and floaters. In his highlights you rarely see much and 1s or him finishing through contact.

My main issue is with his shot. His mechanics are similar to Mark Jackson which is not ideal. Actually their games are fairly similar with the craftiness. I need some combine numbers on him to give a final verdict.

[Jamaaliver]

[getrichordie]

https://vimeo.com/378549667

Just watched this lengthy video of Haliburton running P&Rs which is going to be a huge part of his offensive game at the next level, and I have to say, I came away very unimpressed. He just looks uncomfortable. His left hand definitely looks uncomfortable and he missed a lot of simple reads and lacks burst to take advantage of defense being out of position.

At this point, I think his calling card has to be his defense and C&S ability. I'm kind of seeing now as a 3&D guy who will be able to play-make a little at the next level. Hate his shooting form, especially from deep. Mid-range isn't so bad. Reminds me of Livingston.

[The-Power]

Just watched this lengthy video of Haliburton running P&Rs which is going to be a huge part of his offensive game at the next level, and I have to say, I came away very unimpressed.

That's the thing, though: you don't draft Haliburton to be a PnR-heavy Guard at the next level. Does it limit his ceiling? Yes, I believe so, too. Is it a big problem that he's limited in PnRs? No, as long as you're not asking of him to play like a player he's not. I don't see a reason why this would necessary be a ‘huge part of his offensive game’, as you claim.

[getrichordie]

Just watched this lengthy video of Haliburton running P&Rs which is going to be a huge part of his offensive game at the next level, and I have to say, I came away very unimpressed.

That's the thing, though: you don't draft Haliburton to be a PnR-heavy Guard at the next level. Does it limit his ceiling? Yes, I believe so, too. Is it a big problem that he's limited in PnRs? No, as long as you're not asking of him to play like a player he's not. I don't see a reason why this would necessary be a ‘huge part of his offensive game’, as you claim.

Well where does his offense come from at the next level? Just spot ups, backdoor cuts, and transition finishes? That's basically what his offense is relegated to if he's not running P&Rs. If that's the case, there are guys I'd rather have that can do those things and defend at a high level.