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getrichordie wrote:
one (~likely franchise)
—
jalen green

two (~potential franchise)
—
terrence clarke
caleb love
greg brown

three (~all-star)
—
daishen nix
ibou dianko badji
isaiah todd

four (~high-level starter)
—
devin askew
jeremy roach
adam miller
neemias queta
matthew hurt
josh christopher

Man these are pretty rough, some of them just totally off mark

Fischella wrote:

getrichordie wrote:
one (~likely franchise)
—
jalen green

two (~potential franchise)
—
terrence clarke
caleb love
greg brown

three (~all-star)
—
daishen nix
ibou dianko badji
isaiah todd

four (~high-level starter)
—
devin askew
jeremy roach
adam miller
neemias queta
matthew hurt
josh christopher

Man these are pretty rough, some of them just totally off mark

Care to elaborate? I admit this is a very rough list. Didn't spend a ton of time on it. Haven't done a deep dive yet.

Greg Brown, Love and Terrence Clarke as potential franchise players are just laughable, at least Love got the shooting upside but meh, Brown is a PF journeyman type, and Clarke is a bit more athletic but less smart than Bolmaro (similar games), he may be something if he fixes that tunnel vision of his, but franchise player is a massive stretch; I totally disagree on Green in Cade's tier but his movement skills are amazing

Ibou is legit bad, and lazy and older than his reported age, so is Todd (bad), Queta has knocked knee and has already have injuries, the others are more like possibly bench players than high level starters, Roach is really overrated imo and Askew isn't even gonna start for UK

big-shot-ROB wrote:Agbaji just keeps falling and falling.

i like Agbaji, didn't improve as much as I wanted him to from yr 1 to yr 2, we'll see now in yr 3 but I think he's got the potential to really climb for me if he improves where I want him to

i will say that this class of returning players might be my most favorite since I've been following the draft

Keep your eye on Caleb Mills.

getrichordie wrote:

Fischella wrote:

getrichordie wrote:
one (~likely franchise)
—
jalen green

two (~potential franchise)
—
terrence clarke
caleb love
greg brown

three (~all-star)
—
daishen nix
ibou dianko badji
isaiah todd

four (~high-level starter)
—
devin askew
jeremy roach
adam miller
neemias queta
matthew hurt
josh christopher

Man these are pretty rough, some of them just totally off mark

Care to elaborate? I admit this is a very rough list. Didn't spend a ton of time on it. Haven't done a deep dive yet.

Where is Cade Cunningham? He's the best point guard prospect since Kyrie (IMO, a much higher level prospect than Kyrie, I think he is more on the level Derek Rose was as a point guard - the clear first pick in this draft at this point). No slight on Green, I just don't know that we've seen a player like Cunningham.

babyjax13 wrote:

getrichordie wrote:

Fischella wrote:
Man these are pretty rough, some of them just totally off mark

Care to elaborate? I admit this is a very rough list. Didn't spend a ton of time on it. Haven't done a deep dive yet.

Where is Cade Cunningham? He's the best point guard prospect since Kyrie (IMO, a much higher level prospect than Kyrie, I think he is more on the level Derek Rose was as a point guard - the clear first pick in this draft at this point). No slight on Green, I just don't know that we've seen a player like Cunningham.

Fisch took some of the names out. I've actually been working on updating my list. It's very rough, still and obviously difficult to project as most of these guys have yet to see an NCAA floor.

one (~superstar)
—
1. cade cunningham -- 1
2. jalen green -- 2

two (~potential superstar)
—
3. greg brown -- 3/4
4. daishen nix -- 1/2
5. evan mobley -- 5

three (~all-star)
—
6. jonathan kuminga -- 3/4
7. jalen johnson -- 3
8. ziaire williams -- 3/2

four (~mid/high-level starter)
—
9. brandon boston jr. -- 2
10. caleb love -- 1
11. usman garuba -- 5
12. scottie barnes -- 4/sb5
13. isaiah todd -- 4/sb5
14. scottie lewis
15. ibou dianko badji -- 5
16. marcus zegarowski -- 1
17. jalen suggs -- 2/1
18. keyontae johnson -- 3/sb4
19. jaden shackelford -- 1
20. jaden springer -- 1
21. josh christopher -- 2
22. terrence clark -- 2
23. jaime jacquez jr. -- 2

...

full 2021 big board: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1964463

If I were you I would keep an eye on Matthew Strazel (ASVEL, France, Jeep Elite and Euroleague)

Plus: He had minutes at 17 in Euroleague in a 4 PGs rotation and really used well that time on the floor. He can shoot and I like his energy for defense.
Next season, there will be 3 PG and no more 4 in ASVEL roster (out Malédon and Taylor), so more opportunities.

Minus: welcome Norris Cole, and the other PG is still Antoine Diot (former Parker's substitute for France national team, injuried the most time of his career, but not last year and a pretty good Euroleague player when not injuried). So maybe not so much minutes to get
He is maybe more made for Euroleague than NBA.

Whatever, seen how this guy surprised every body last year, everything may happen with him

a-French-Fan wrote:If I were you I would keep an eye on Matthew Strazel (ASVEL, France, Jeep Elite and Euroleague)

Plus: He had minutes at 17 in Euroleague in a 4 PGs rotation and really used well that time on the floor. He can shoot and I like his energy for defense.
Next season, there will be 3 PG and no more 4 in ASVEL roster (out Malédon and Taylor), so more opportunities.

Minus: welcome Norris Cole, and the other PG is still Antoine Diot (former Parker's substitute for France national team, injuried the most time of his career, but not last year and a pretty good Euroleague player when not injuried). So maybe not so much minutes to get
He is maybe more made for Euroleague than NBA.

Whatever, seen how this guy surprised every body last year, everything may happen with him

He's on my list in my full big board. I actually have a section called "keeping an eye on:"

getrichordie wrote:

a-French-Fan wrote:If I were you I would keep an eye on Matthew Strazel (ASVEL, France, Jeep Elite and Euroleague)

Plus: He had minutes at 17 in Euroleague in a 4 PGs rotation and really used well that time on the floor. He can shoot and I like his energy for defense.
Next season, there will be 3 PG and no more 4 in ASVEL roster (out Malédon and Taylor), so more opportunities.

Minus: welcome Norris Cole, and the other PG is still Antoine Diot (former Parker's substitute for France national team, injuried the most time of his career, but not last year and a pretty good Euroleague player when not injuried). So maybe not so much minutes to get
He is maybe more made for Euroleague than NBA.

Whatever, seen how this guy surprised every body last year, everything may happen with him

He's on my list in my full big board. I actually have a section called "keeping an eye on:"

So, add Victor Wembanyama, 2023 1st pick
He is only 16, but I let you watch some youtube videos you will understand. How such a tall teen may move and run like this?!!! Just watch and you gonna understand ^^

I know I am very high on french prospects and actual french NBA players, but understand me:
1st: I am French
2nd: 20 years ago we had Parker as PG prospect, now we have Malédon, Hayes, Ntilikina, Okobo, even Strazel maybe. For PG I feel we could be like Spain who had Calderon, Rodriguez, Llull and Rubio at the same time!
SG: we have to wait 2 or 3 years for Ayayi, Mokoka, N'Doye ... or Hayes and Okobo would play as SG. However Fournier will still be here for 2024.
SF: Doumbouya may be a freak and Hoard could surprise you
PF: if depends if Killian Tillie stays an injury prone, but you have Yves Pons too, Yabusele may show his real potential in euroleague next year ... And our real deal: Victor Wembanyama (born in 2004)
C: potential shows up later, but Gobert still will be here in 2024, and Poirier ans Lessort too, if no one is coming next 4 years, it doesn't really matter.

The 2022 draft could be interesting for France too, but too early to tell you "keep an eye on him or him". And believe me, I did not talk about of all our prospects.

a-French-Fan wrote:

getrichordie wrote:

a-French-Fan wrote:If I were you I would keep an eye on Matthew Strazel (ASVEL, France, Jeep Elite and Euroleague)

Plus: He had minutes at 17 in Euroleague in a 4 PGs rotation and really used well that time on the floor. He can shoot and I like his energy for defense.
Next season, there will be 3 PG and no more 4 in ASVEL roster (out Malédon and Taylor), so more opportunities.

Minus: welcome Norris Cole, and the other PG is still Antoine Diot (former Parker's substitute for France national team, injuried the most time of his career, but not last year and a pretty good Euroleague player when not injuried). So maybe not so much minutes to get
He is maybe more made for Euroleague than NBA.

Whatever, seen how this guy surprised every body last year, everything may happen with him

He's on my list in my full big board. I actually have a section called "keeping an eye on:"

So, add Victor Wembanyama, 2023 1st pick
He is only 16, but I let you watch some youtube videos you will understand. How such a tall teen may move and run like this?!!! Just watch and you gonna understand ^^

I know I am very high on french prospects and actual french NBA players, but understand me:
1st: I am French
2nd: 20 years ago we had Parker as PG prospect, now we have Malédon, Hayes, Ntilikina, Okobo, even Strazel maybe. For PG I feel we could be like Spain who had Calderon, Rodriguez, Llull and Rubio at the same time!
SG: we have to wait 2 or 3 years for Ayayi, Mokoka, N'Doye ... or Hayes and Okobo would play as SG. However Fournier will still be here for 2024.
SF: Doumbouya may be a freak and Hoard could surprise you
PF: if depends if Killian Tillie stays an injury prone, but you have Yves Pons too, Yabusele may show his real potential in euroleague next year ... And our real deal: Victor Wembanyama (born in 2004)
C: potential shows up later, but Gobert still will be here in 2024, and Poirier ans Lessort too, if no one is coming next 4 years, it doesn't really matter.

The 2022 draft could be interesting for France too, but too early to tell you "keep an eye on him or him". And believe me, I did not talk about of all our prospects.

Isn't Cazalon french too? Juhann Begerin is another guy I'd watch.

getrichordie wrote:

a-French-Fan wrote:

getrichordie wrote:
He's on my list in my full big board. I actually have a section called "keeping an eye on:"

So, add Victor Wembanyama, 2023 1st pick
He is only 16, but I let you watch some youtube videos you will understand. How such a tall teen may move and run like this?!!! Just watch and you gonna understand ^^

I know I am very high on french prospects and actual french NBA players, but understand me:
1st: I am French
2nd: 20 years ago we had Parker as PG prospect, now we have Malédon, Hayes, Ntilikina, Okobo, even Strazel maybe. For PG I feel we could be like Spain who had Calderon, Rodriguez, Llull and Rubio at the same time!
SG: we have to wait 2 or 3 years for Ayayi, Mokoka, N'Doye ... or Hayes and Okobo would play as SG. However Fournier will still be here for 2024.
SF: Doumbouya may be a freak and Hoard could surprise you
PF: if depends if Killian Tillie stays an injury prone, but you have Yves Pons too, Yabusele may show his real potential in euroleague next year ... And our real deal: Victor Wembanyama (born in 2004)
C: potential shows up later, but Gobert still will be here in 2024, and Poirier ans Lessort too, if no one is coming next 4 years, it doesn't really matter.

The 2022 draft could be interesting for France too, but too early to tell you "keep an eye on him or him". And believe me, I did not talk about of all our prospects.

Isn't Cazalon french too? Juhann Begerin is another guy I'd watch.

Of course they are french. But still really young for Begarin even if way have great hope for him. For Cazalon, the path is becoming strange, but he is still a prospect, and you may add Tom Digbeu, but will he choose France or Spain? I can't answer you for now.

France really tapping into that african pipeline

their soccer team is literally all africans and arabs

a-French-Fan wrote:

getrichordie wrote:

a-French-Fan wrote:
So, add Victor Wembanyama, 2023 1st pick
He is only 16, but I let you watch some youtube videos you will understand. How such a tall teen may move and run like this?!!! Just watch and you gonna understand ^^

I know I am very high on french prospects and actual french NBA players, but understand me:
1st: I am French
2nd: 20 years ago we had Parker as PG prospect, now we have Malédon, Hayes, Ntilikina, Okobo, even Strazel maybe. For PG I feel we could be like Spain who had Calderon, Rodriguez, Llull and Rubio at the same time!
SG: we have to wait 2 or 3 years for Ayayi, Mokoka, N'Doye ... or Hayes and Okobo would play as SG. However Fournier will still be here for 2024.
SF: Doumbouya may be a freak and Hoard could surprise you
PF: if depends if Killian Tillie stays an injury prone, but you have Yves Pons too, Yabusele may show his real potential in euroleague next year ... And our real deal: Victor Wembanyama (born in 2004)
C: potential shows up later, but Gobert still will be here in 2024, and Poirier ans Lessort too, if no one is coming next 4 years, it doesn't really matter.

The 2022 draft could be interesting for France too, but too early to tell you "keep an eye on him or him". And believe me, I did not talk about of all our prospects.

Isn't Cazalon french too? Juhann Begerin is another guy I'd watch.

Of course they are french. But still really young for Begarin even if way have great hope for him. For Cazalon, the path is becoming strange, but he is still a prospect, and you may add Tom Digbeu, but will he choose France or Spain? I can't answer you for now.

Well, was just curious because you didn't mention Cazalon and he looks like one of the better french prospects.

getrichordie wrote:

a-French-Fan wrote:

getrichordie wrote:
Isn't Cazalon french too? Juhann Begerin is another guy I'd watch.

Of course they are french. But still really young for Begarin even if way have great hope for him. For Cazalon, the path is becoming strange, but he is still a prospect, and you may add Tom Digbeu, but will he choose France or Spain? I can't answer you for now.

Well, was just curious because you didn't mention Cazalon and he looks like one of the better french prospects.

Indeed with Hayes and Malédon he was part of the 2001 big three. At Summer 2018 he left ASVEL to JL bourg a good team of Jeep Elite (but not a top team), thinking he would get minutes and could be drafted in 2020. It didn't happen and then he was sent for a year to Belgium. Then I didn't follow, i juste know than from december to march he had not played. In march he had signed to Mega Leks and then Covid-19 happened.
So he is still a good prospect, but for the moment he failed to play as a pro, whereas Malédon and Hayes have shown something very interesting last two years. So I Hope that he will play a lot next year with Mega Leks.

a-French-Fan wrote:If I were you I would keep an eye on Matthew Strazel (ASVEL, France, Jeep Elite and Euroleague)

Plus: He had minutes at 17 in Euroleague in a 4 PGs rotation and really used well that time on the floor. He can shoot and I like his energy for defense.
Next season, there will be 3 PG and no more 4 in ASVEL roster (out Malédon and Taylor), so more opportunities.

Minus: welcome Norris Cole, and the other PG is still Antoine Diot (former Parker's substitute for France national team, injuried the most time of his career, but not last year and a pretty good Euroleague player when not injuried). So maybe not so much minutes to get
He is maybe more made for Euroleague than NBA.

Whatever, seen how this guy surprised every body last year, everything may happen with him

I think Strazel is a NBA PG all the way and I probably will have him lotto ranked pre-season, he is really good and he is going to get burn in Jeep Elite at least, Diot is really more of a combo now after all the injuries and will likely play a ton of SG

I expect ASVEL to go after Killian Tillie by the way

Strazel is better than Tyrell Terry (not close) who some here love and have top20-lotto

a-French-Fan wrote:

getrichordie wrote:

a-French-Fan wrote:
So, add Victor Wembanyama, 2023 1st pick
He is only 16, but I let you watch some youtube videos you will understand. How such a tall teen may move and run like this?!!! Just watch and you gonna understand ^^

I know I am very high on french prospects and actual french NBA players, but understand me:
1st: I am French
2nd: 20 years ago we had Parker as PG prospect, now we have Malédon, Hayes, Ntilikina, Okobo, even Strazel maybe. For PG I feel we could be like Spain who had Calderon, Rodriguez, Llull and Rubio at the same time!
SG: we have to wait 2 or 3 years for Ayayi, Mokoka, N'Doye ... or Hayes and Okobo would play as SG. However Fournier will still be here for 2024.
SF: Doumbouya may be a freak and Hoard could surprise you
PF: if depends if Killian Tillie stays an injury prone, but you have Yves Pons too, Yabusele may show his real potential in euroleague next year ... And our real deal: Victor Wembanyama (born in 2004)
C: potential shows up later, but Gobert still will be here in 2024, and Poirier ans Lessort too, if no one is coming next 4 years, it doesn't really matter.

The 2022 draft could be interesting for France too, but too early to tell you "keep an eye on him or him". And believe me, I did not talk about of all our prospects.

Isn't Cazalon french too? Juhann Begerin is another guy I'd watch.

Of course they are french. But still really young for Begarin even if way have great hope for him. For Cazalon, the path is becoming strange, but he is still a prospect, and you may add Tom Digbeu, but will he choose France or Spain? I can't answer you for now.

Juhann is all tools and no substance, not a big fan, Digbeu isn't a NBA guy

Douala who you haven't mentioned is a top3 french prospect with Victor and Strazel

France is going to take over in Europe (with Serbia and maybe Latvia) going forward, Spain will still be good (Garuba, Alocén, Aldama, Nuñez,...) but not as good

clyde21 wrote:France really tapping into that african pipeline

their soccer team is literally all africans and arabs

I mean, most of these guys are actually born and raised in France some are third gen even, it's like if you claim that Greece is tapping into the Nigerian pipeline with Giannis and his bros

If you go back in time everyone comes from elsewhere, not sure what's the point really

clyde21 wrote:France really tapping into that african pipeline

their soccer team is literally all africans and arabs

And you forgot the Afro-American pipeline too for basket-ball ...

I do not know where do you from, but I prefer to think that your words mean some ignorance of french history, our immigration history.
We had not never been to an other country to Select a prospect, we never naturalize (for soccer and basketball) some one for sport reasons. We naturalized some US players After living at least 5 years in France (like USA and Olajuwon 25 years ago). To apply for french nationality you have criterias, and sport is not one. Blood rights, birt in the country, living in the country at least 5 years, and wedding (2 years after wedding if I remember well). And some exceptional cases for great action like heroes of the Thalys attack.

Think about Embiid willing to play for France. How french disliked this. BTW I don't understand how he could become french.

In our recent basketball teams we only had J. Noah and Bria Hartley. For Noah, is mother is swedish, his father a legend of french tennis, and one of the most popular people in France. But he had not the nationality because a Swedish has the same rights than a French. Whatever, he were french like Swedish, american and cameroonian. And France could not refuse to give him passport. Bria's Hartley grandmother was french, so France could not refuse passport too. But she did not speak french when she arrived and there had a debate. Whatever she speaks french now.

Fischella wrote:

a-French-Fan wrote:If I were you I would keep an eye on Matthew Strazel (ASVEL, France, Jeep Elite and Euroleague)

Plus: He had minutes at 17 in Euroleague in a 4 PGs rotation and really used well that time on the floor. He can shoot and I like his energy for defense.
Next season, there will be 3 PG and no more 4 in ASVEL roster (out Malédon and Taylor), so more opportunities.

Minus: welcome Norris Cole, and the other PG is still Antoine Diot (former Parker's substitute for France national team, injuried the most time of his career, but not last year and a pretty good Euroleague player when not injuried). So maybe not so much minutes to get
He is maybe more made for Euroleague than NBA.

Whatever, seen how this guy surprised every body last year, everything may happen with him

I think Strazel is a NBA PG all the way and I probably will have him lotto ranked pre-season, he is really good and he is going to get burn in Jeep Elite at least, Diot is really more of a combo now after all the injuries and will likely play a ton of SG

I expect ASVEL to go after Killian Tillie by the way

Strazel is better than Tyrell Terry (not close) who some here love and have top20-lotto

Tillie as a Center or a Power Forward?

Because for PF there is already Livio Jean-Charles and Guerschon Yabusele. For Jean-Charles it took years, but he was healthy and so pretty good last year, and Yabusele need to prove that he is at least a Euroleague player after being "lost" between G-League and China. Earning a huge amount of Money in China was certainly a good thing for him, but getting a place in 2024 France roster could be a better motivation

However, he is also a center, and after Jekiri and Payne loss, we need 2 centers.