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Fischella wrote:

Catchall wrote:So in real life, just be aware that Saddiq Bey is going to be a top 20 pick. Jaden McDaniels, even if he falls, will be a top-25 pick. Listing guys like N'doye or Nnaji as top 20 or 25 picks reflects your own personal reality-distortion field.

I went with Patrick Williams again, who probably won't last beyond this spot in the actual draft. He's considered a late lottery pick by some teams.

I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is going forward if you're going to muck it up with your own assumptions. See if you can find any big board or mock draft that shows Ndoye or Nnaji getting picked in this range.

Nnaji is 100% going top25

getrichordie wrote:

Fischella wrote:

Catchall wrote:So in real life, just be aware that Saddiq Bey is going to be a top 20 pick. Jaden McDaniels, even if he falls, will be a top-25 pick. Listing guys like N'doye or Nnaji as top 20 or 25 picks reflects your own personal reality-distortion field.

I went with Patrick Williams again, who probably won't last beyond this spot in the actual draft. He's considered a late lottery pick by some teams.

I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is going forward if you're going to muck it up with your own assumptions. See if you can find any big board or mock draft that shows Ndoye or Nnaji getting picked in this range.

Nnaji is 100% going top25

Call me crazy but I think it is weird that Okongwu is getting so much more hype than Nnaji. I actually think Nnaji has a better chance to be a starter.

Stillwater wrote:

getrichordie wrote:

Fischella wrote:Nnaji is 100% going top25

Call me crazy but I think it is weird that Okongwu is getting so much more hype than Nnaji. I actually think Nnaji has a better chance to be a starter.

I imagine you to be a 5' nothing female who values size and youth as the keys to success more than skill and athleticism.
Okongwu is 1000x better prospect than the skinny garbage man.
The way you have basically lived on here and played the "act as if " game with obvious clues your incapable of actual scouting of prospects , makes coming here far less interesting.
I suggest you grab a pencil and write down the reasons why you try so hard to disagree with everyone to the point of trying to sell some of these crap fringe nba prospects as real options.
No hard feelings i got none left to give

The-Power wrote:Polls like those should always have an other option as well.

edit: Also, using ‘being the youngest’ as the tie breaker doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. People already factor age in when voting. I understand that this has to be settled somehow and the project needs to be moving but since it's not exactly a quickly moving project anyway it would have been better to create a quick 24 hour poll with the three players that are tied. Not that it all matters a lot, just a general remark on how best to run such polls.

clyde21 wrote:having a run off with the top vote getters works really well if u want to do the extra polls

otherwise the tie breaker would be the next vote, or if someone wants to change their vote to move the poll along.

getrichordie wrote:

clyde21 wrote:having a run off with the top vote getters works really well if u want to do the extra polls

otherwise the tie breaker would be the next vote, or if someone wants to change their vote to move the poll along.

I agree that's probably better. Not a fan of waiting though. I'm in favor of speed.

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:

getrichordie wrote:

clyde21 wrote:having a run off with the top vote getters works really well if u want to do the extra polls

otherwise the tie breaker would be the next vote, or if someone wants to change their vote to move the poll along.

I agree that's probably better. Not a fan of waiting though. I'm in favor of speed.

There's a poll option to allow revoting, that would let people change their vote.


I can be convinced P Will is a good choice here. Nice mix of decently high floor and decently high ceiling. Not sure he will be the best player picked after 17 but its a sensible choice.

getrichordie wrote:

Fischella wrote:

Catchall wrote:So in real life, just be aware that Saddiq Bey is going to be a top 20 pick. Jaden McDaniels, even if he falls, will be a top-25 pick. Listing guys like N'doye or Nnaji as top 20 or 25 picks reflects your own personal reality-distortion field.

I went with Patrick Williams again, who probably won't last beyond this spot in the actual draft. He's considered a late lottery pick by some teams.

I'm not sure what the point of this exercise is going forward if you're going to muck it up with your own assumptions. See if you can find any big board or mock draft that shows Ndoye or Nnaji getting picked in this range.

Nnaji is 100% going top25

Call me crazy but I think it is weird that Okongwu is getting so much more hype than Nnaji. I actually think Nnaji has a better chance to be a starter.

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:

getrichordie wrote:

Fischella wrote:Nnaji is 100% going top25

Call me crazy but I think it is weird that Okongwu is getting so much more hype than Nnaji. I actually think Nnaji has a better chance to be a starter.

Nnaji has such a low block rate and doesn't create offense for himself. I just cant see him being more than a backup garbage man. Bad block/foul ratio, bad block/steal rates, bad assist and turnover rates, just some huge red flags for me translating to the next level.

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:

getrichordie wrote:

Fischella wrote:Nnaji is 100% going top25

Call me crazy but I think it is weird that Okongwu is getting so much more hype than Nnaji. I actually think Nnaji has a better chance to be a starter.

Nnaji has such a low block rate and doesn't create offense for himself. I just cant see him being more than a backup garbage man. Bad block/foul ratio, bad block/steal rates, bad assist and turnover rates, just some huge red flags for me translating to the next level. He's got a decent little shot so not saying he isn't league material but just looks like a guy I would want coming off the bench for 3-5 million.

getrichordie wrote:

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:

getrichordie wrote:
Call me crazy but I think it is weird that Okongwu is getting so much more hype than Nnaji. I actually think Nnaji has a better chance to be a starter.

Nnaji has such a low block rate and doesn't create offense for himself. I just cant see him being more than a backup garbage man. Bad block/foul ratio, bad block/steal rates, bad assist and turnover rates, just some huge red flags for me translating to the next level.

If the block rate is too high, people will say they are the next Hassan Whiteside. If block rate is too low, then it's not good enough. I just have concerns about Okongwu's fit in the NBA as a low-post scorer. Nnaji can at least stretch the defense with his mid-range shooting and he's a good defender in space.

Also, Nnaji's rim protection and general post defense can certainly improve at the next level. He's same as OO and has shown more offensive versatility and even has added value as a potential 3-pt shooter.

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:

getrichordie wrote:

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Nnaji has such a low block rate and doesn't create offense for himself. I just cant see him being more than a backup garbage man. Bad block/foul ratio, bad block/steal rates, bad assist and turnover rates, just some huge red flags for me translating to the next level.

If the block rate is too high, people will say they are the next Hassan Whiteside. If block rate is too low, then it's not good enough. I just have concerns about Okongwu's fit in the NBA as a low-post scorer. Nnaji can at least stretch the defense with his mid-range shooting and he's a good defender in space.

Also, Nnaji's rim protection and general post defense can certainly improve at the next level. He's same as OO and has shown more offensive versatility and even has added value as a potential 3-pt shooter.

Could be but I still think he wont ever stand out at any one particular thing, it takes a bit of optimism to even see him as a Jason Thompson type player. I feel pretty comfortable predicting Okongwu to be a standout defender from day one, and then I know you probably disagree but I think Okongwu actually has more untapped offensive potential than Nnaji as well. Not in the the post but neither guy is going to be a "throw it down low to them" type anyways.

getrichordie wrote:What leads you to believe that OO has untapped offensive potential? You don't think Nnaji has untapped offensive potential? Just look at his scouting video. The first play shows you a lot. Face up potential. He has a lot of the same moves as OO in the post, too. He has some things he needs to clean up just like every prospect in this draft does, but the potential should be clear to anyone who has seen his tape.

I mean Nnaji has some footwork and defensive things to work on in the post, but you have to be optimistic about that due to his footwork and ability to defend in space. I think he has more positional versatility as well. I feel more confident about Nnaji being able to play some 4 than I do Okongwu.

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:

getrichordie wrote:What leads you to believe that OO has untapped offensive potential? You don't think Nnaji has untapped offensive potential? Just look at his scouting video. The first play shows you a lot. Face up potential. He has a lot of the same moves as OO in the post, too. He has some things he needs to clean up just like every prospect in this draft does, but the potential should be clear to anyone who has seen his tape.

I mean Nnaji has some footwork and defensive things to work on in the post, but you have to be optimistic about that due to his footwork and ability to defend in space. I think he has more positional versatility as well. I feel more confident about Nnaji being able to play some 4 than I do Okongwu.

I didn't say Nnaji doesn't have it. Both have pretty simple offensive games and wont be asked to do too much at the next level. What they will be asked to do is score hustle points and I think Okongwu's athletic tools give him the advantage there for contributing with things like being a lob threat, roll man, offensive rebounds, back-door cuts. Nnaji does have a better shot but Okongwu is way quicker and more explosive out of the post and on the floor.

A lot of it comes down to physical traits, Okongwu will still be an athletic mismatch at the next level but Nnaji wont be bigger and stronger than most the players he will be going against. And Nnaji isn't a good enough shooter to make up for that in my opinion. Happy to be wrong, always love to see underrated players be successful.

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:

getrichordie wrote:

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:
Nnaji has such a low block rate and doesn't create offense for himself. I just cant see him being more than a backup garbage man. Bad block/foul ratio, bad block/steal rates, bad assist and turnover rates, just some huge red flags for me translating to the next level.

If the block rate is too high, people will say they are the next Hassan Whiteside. If block rate is too low, then it's not good enough. I just have concerns about Okongwu's fit in the NBA as a low-post scorer. Nnaji can at least stretch the defense with his mid-range shooting and he's a good defender in space.

Also, Nnaji's rim protection and general post defense can certainly improve at the next level. He's same as OO and has shown more offensive versatility and even has added value as a potential 3-pt shooter.

Could be but I still think he wont ever stand out at any one particular thing, it takes a bit of optimism to even see him as a Jason Thompson type player. I feel pretty comfortable predicting Okongwu to be a standout defender from day one, and then I know you probably disagree but I think Okongwu actually has more untapped offensive potential than Nnaji as well. Not in the the post but neither guy is going to be a "throw it down low to them" type anyways.