clyde21 wrote: getrichordie wrote:
dude...when are u gonna stop making this stupid ass argument? the majority of good PGs in the league are 6-3 or under
And I understand that, but I'm asking what else he brings to the table at the next level? Vision/IQ alone isn't enough to be a starter. Give me an example of that being the case.
i think he has a clear path as a back PG but eventually turning into a starter is not out of question, having good vision and bbiq is the most important aspect for a PG, he's also got + handles, is quick enough, hits his FTs at a high clip and isn't a total negative defensively...he's got a strong baseline to eventually develop into a starter.
and sure, I just did a bunch...Mike Conley started for a decade for example. what does/did Conley have that Nico doesn't?
Are you really trying to compare Mannion to Conley? Why not just put him top 5 on your board then?
You realize Conley was drafted 4th overall, right? It was easy to see Conley being a starting point in the league. Yet you are talking about how it's "not out of the question" for Mannion. See the difference?
To answer your question, Conley was a MUCH better athlete than Mannion and had WAY better handles and could actually shoot the basketball, which is an important part of the game for a point guard. Not only that, he could shoot it from a variety of platforms, though he didn't have great percentages from 3 in college -- but the touch was most definitely there. He also showed the ability to finish at the rim in a variety of ways, something Mannion has most definitely not. And don't even get me started on the difference between their first steps. Conley was also a much better defender coming out college than Mannion was. It's not even close really.
Good FT shooting is a good indicator for being a good shooter, sure. But it doesn't equate to being a good shooter. One of the most important parts of the game is being able to create space, which Conley could do at a much higher level than Mannion.
I mean... dude. Just taking a quick glance at some key per 40 stats and a couple of advanced stats paints the picture pretty clearly.conleyws/40 — .199FTr — 46.6TS% — 58.4%
14.3 pts7.7 asts2.8 tovs2.8 stlsmannion
ws/40 — .152
FTr — 36.2
TS% — 52.0%