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Leandro Bolmaro slightly edges out Jahmi'us Ramsey by 1 vote for the 26th spot.

Taking out Nnaji who received 0 votes.

Adding Malachi Flynn and Mason Jones to the poll.

current consensus big board:

Who is going to be #28?

Scrubb + Crutcher

Joe and Jones of the ones available, but truly taking out Nnaji and putting in Flynn and Jones is criminal

Stewart is so low on these boards.I see a lot more gifted offensive prospect than the ranking would suggest.
Ramsey is my other one here, also ranked higher on my BB than this. His ability to shoot and athleticim to pop is impressive
I wonder if he one of those Donovan Mitchel types some times...aka the one nobody counted on bursting onto the scene out of the starting gate.
I would also start looking at the more raw but underrated impact guard in Stanley pretty soon. I think this is his range starting point based on his upside due to his freakish hops and reasonably acceptable shot mechanics.

Fischella wrote:Joe and Jones of the ones available, but truly taking out Nnaji and putting in Flynn and Jones is criminal

The write in is there for a reason. How many times do I have to say it?

No one voted for Nnaji. So he was taken out. I would have him on here otherwise.

Voted Ramsey, writing in Vernon Carey Jr.

Ramsey and Stewart to finish off the first round. Nnaji is right there with them.


Scrubb has some intrigue as an athletic score-first-second-third type player but those guys, especially from not-very-challenging environments designed to make them look good, are really boom or bust. If I could interview and really dig into the kid I may bump him up (or down) but from an arm-chair he is just too difficult to project. Less than 1 assist per game and very little shake leaves me worried he is just dominating based on athleticism, so how does he respond when he doesn't have those same advantages and things aren't going his way? Highlights of him hitting pull up jumpers isn't enough to convince me they translate to a (much) higher level. I wouldn't be surprised to see a GM draft him in the first based on potential (ala Simons) but too many unknowns to have him top 30 on my board.

Voted for Tre Jones and Vernon Carey again.

I went for Tillman and Terry. Already talked a lot about the role I see for Tillman, I think he's going to be a valuable player in the league. Terry is a fantastic shooter and a smart player with the ball. I like Flynn, as well. Per Ramsey, I think I'd rather have Desmond Bane.

Finally Bolmaro gets through the door. I'll take Ramsey and write in Terry here, but at this stage of the draft the talent is really flattening out and teams will draft for need. Guys like Quickley, Stanley, Tillie, Jones, Stewart, Nnaji, and several others could all fill out the first round. Mannion too, of course.

Vernon Carey is such a beast. If he can lose 10-15 lbs and hit 36% of his 3s, watch out.

Ramsey

Joe / Bane (write-in)

I've talked at length about both, but two elite shooters with extremely versatile shot profiles who can contribute on both ends.

A nod of respect for Malachi.

RiotPunch wrote:Joe / Bane (write-in)

I've talked at length about both, but two elite shooters with extremely versatile shot profiles who can contribute on both ends.

A nod of respect for Malachi.

How is IJ an elite shooter?
Has good form and a nba body with decent athleticism , but he has never been considered an elite anything. Id say if you are suggesting he could become elite then you could say why, i dont see more than another Monk type without the actual legit shooter % to back up higher ceiling rank. I have him as a mid 2nd at best and have no reason to think otherwise.
Bane and Flynn are the typical early 2nd level prospects with solid production but plenty of physical limitations negating upside overall
No way either is ranked before Stewart or Ramsey for most

Did this dude really just ask how IJ is an elite shooter? Percentages are important but they aren't everything...

RiotPunch wrote:Joe / Bane (write-in)

I've talked at length about both, but two elite shooters with extremely versatile shot profiles who can contribute on both ends.

A nod of respect for Malachi.

Bane is one of the worst defenders in the draft though.

Zenzibar wrote:

RiotPunch wrote:Joe / Bane (write-in)

I've talked at length about both, but two elite shooters with extremely versatile shot profiles who can contribute on both ends.

A nod of respect for Malachi.

Bane is one of the worst defenders in the draft though.

He is limited as a POA guy, but he is one of the best and smartest team defenders in this class. You're drafting him for his shooting/PnR passing though.

Isaiah Joe is absolutely an elite shooter. Recency bias.

RiotPunch wrote:

Zenzibar wrote:

RiotPunch wrote:Joe / Bane (write-in)

I've talked at length about both, but two elite shooters with extremely versatile shot profiles who can contribute on both ends.

A nod of respect for Malachi.

Bane is one of the worst defenders in the draft though.

He is limited as a POA guy, but he is one of the best and smartest team defenders in this class. You're drafting him for his shooting/PnR passing though.

Isaiah Joe is absolutely an elite shooter. Recency bias.

Nailed it with Bane, though I just don't believe in his translation as much as some others. I have him mid-to-late 2nd.

My big concern with Joe is if he can add weight. He's listed at 180, but I've read he's 165. If he can get to 190-195, I really like him. Can definitely see him or Flynn going to play with LeBron.

getrichordie wrote:Did this dude really just ask how IJ is an elite shooter? Percentages are important but they aren't everything...

are you picking a fight again grod? Joe is not an elite shooter and % do matter when you are a chucker like he has been

getrichordie wrote:

RiotPunch wrote:

Zenzibar wrote:
Bane is one of the worst defenders in the draft though.

He is limited as a POA guy, but he is one of the best and smartest team defenders in this class. You're drafting him for his shooting/PnR passing though.

Isaiah Joe is absolutely an elite shooter. Recency bias.

Nailed it with Bane, though I just don't believe in his translation as much as some others. I have him mid-to-late 2nd.

My big concern with Joe is if he can add weight. He's listed at 180, but I've read he's 165. If he can get to 190-195, I really like him. Can definitely see him or Flynn going to play with LeBron.

Yep. Adding weight is literally the only knock on Joe for me. He supposedly has been adding weight during quarantine, and had put some on between freshman and sophomore years as well. Needs the right strength dev team.