[Better Prospect?] — Devon Dotson v. Jared Butler

getrichordie · Post #1 » by **getrichordie** » Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:40 pm

VOTE & DISCUSS!
P.S. the Quickley v. Alexander poll is still up, so if you haven't voted, go and vote!

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Devon Dotson (KU) vs. Jared Butler (Baylor)

• DOTSON

stats — https://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2020&p=Devon%20Dotson&t=Kansas
age — 20.8
ht — 6'2"
wt — 185 lbs.
ws — 6'3"

• BUTLER

stats — https://www.barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2020&p=Jared%20Butler&t=Baylor
age — 20.7
ht — 6'3"
wt — 190 lbs.
ws — 6'4"

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clyde21 · Post #2 » by **clyde21** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:23 am

Butler to me is a lotto type talent so obviously Butler here, but Dotson is a good get if he falls to the 2nd

getrichordie · Post #3 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:24 am

clyde21 wrote:Butler to me is a lotto type talent so obviously Butler here, but Dotson is a good get if he falls to the 2nd

Well, cast your vote.

Catchall · Post #4 » by **Catchall** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:05 pm

Butler is better suited to the modern game, given his potential to play both on and off the ball. His shooting is a better fit with most teams.

Stillwater · Post #5 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:07 pm

both likely back ups but Dotson is a sneaky explosive guard and Butlers handle is special and has a good egg so if either can add something else at a high level who knows.
I dont like one over the other at this point but I voted Dotson because I think he has a clutch gene

clyde21 · Post #6 » by **clyde21** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:19 pm

i'm really not sure how Butler's not seen as a top guard, he's stupid good offensively, has a deadly live dribble, can use both hands, can attack close outs, can shoot step-backs, and play off-ball, can C+S, is a good passer/manager...

it's funny, guys like Maledon and Hayes are seen as much better than Butler but neither of them can ever make a play like this:

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getrichordie · Post #7 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:26 pm

Do you have Butler's synergy stats on pull-up shooting vs. catch and shoot? Because I don't see him as a good enough on-ball shooter to ask him to do that.

Stillwater · Post #8 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:09 pm

clyde21 wrote:i'm really not sure how Butler's not seen as a top guard, he's stupid good offensively, has a deadly live dribble, can use both hands, can attack close outs, can shoot step-backs, and play off-ball, can C+S, is a good passer/manager...

it's funny, guys like Maledon and Hayes are seen as much better than Butler but neither of them can ever make a play like this:

Read on Twitter

yeah he got him to bite pretty easy on that one.
I sometimes wonder if I am sleeping on his chances long term.

getrichordie · Post #9 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:12 pm

Stillwater wrote:
clyde21 wrote:i'm really not sure how Butler's not seen as a top guard, he's stupid good offensively, has a deadly live dribble, can use both hands, can attack close outs, can shoot step-backs, and play off-ball, can C+S, is a good passer/manager...

it's funny, guys like Maledon and Hayes are seen as much better than Butler but neither of them can ever make a play like this:

Read on Twitter

yeah he got him to bite pretty easy on that one.
I sometimes wonder if I am sleeping on his chances long term.

That's like his best play, though. It's not something he has consistently done from what I've seen.

Stillwater · Post #10 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:38 pm

getrichordie wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
clyde21 wrote:i'm really not sure how Butler's not seen as a top guard, he's stupid good offensively, has a deadly live dribble, can use both hands, can attack close outs, can shoot step-backs, and play off-ball, can C+S, is a good passer/manager...

it's funny, guys like Maledon and Hayes are seen as much better than Butler but neither of them can ever make a play like this:

Read on Twitter

yeah he got him to bite pretty easy on that one.
I sometimes wonder if I am sleeping on his chances long term.

That's like his best play, though. It's not something he has consistently done from what I've seen.

right but even though terrence lewis is a bad defender I could see Butler pulling that on half the pg's in the NBA whos bnb is
offensive only

getrichordie · Post #11 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:46 pm

Stillwater wrote:
getrichordie wrote:
Stillwater wrote:yeah he got him to bite pretty easy on that one.
I sometimes wonder if I am sleeping on his chances long term.

That's like his best play, though. It's not something he has consistently done from what I've seen.

right but even though terrence lewis is a bad defender I could see Butler pulling that on half the pg's in the NBA whos bnb is
offensive only

Unless his on-ball equity + decision-making improves significantly, I don't see him being able to do things like this consistently.

Syd-TK3 · Post #12 » by **Syd-TK3** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:36 pm

I like Dotson better. He's elite at finishing and getting to the rim works hard on defense despite his size and I have no doubts that his shot will improve in the league

Also not really something you can base off stats but after watching a hard working winner like vanvleet a lot I get the same vibe from dotson

clyde21 · Post #13 » by **clyde21** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:06 pm

that's not just one play he does that all the time

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EvanZ · Post #14 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:36 pm

They're very different players. Not sure why anyone would want to compare them skill-wise or role-wise.

getrichordie · Post #15 » by **getrichordie** » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:53 pm

clyde21 wrote:that's not just one play he does that all the time

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I've watched Butler's full scouting tape from start to finish. I can confidently say that he does not do this all the time.

clyde21 · Post #16 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:03 am

getrichordie wrote:
clyde21 wrote:that's not just one play he does that all the time

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I've watched Butler's full scouting tape from start to finish. I can confidently say that he does not do this all the time.

show me where Maledon/Hayes did it...ONCE