16 year old prospect: Victor Wembanyama

UcanUwill · Post #61 » by **UcanUwill** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 2:28 pm

First time seeing full game, not just highlights, holly crap hes good, has all timer on defense potential for sure.

remi_222 · Post #62 » by **remi_222** » Fri Jul 9, 2021 2:40 pm

Read on Twitter

wco81 · Post #63 » by **wco81** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:43 am

remi_222 wrote:

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Is he playing with the France national team at age 16 or 17 or is this some youth team and competition?

clyde21 · Post #64 » by **clyde21** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:07 am

wco81 wrote:
remi_222 wrote:

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Is he playing with the France national team at age 16 or 17 or is this some youth team and competition?

this is U19 cup

Post #65 » by **SOUL** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:51 am

Such an interesting prospect. So much to like but I think it's natural to be a bit worried about his ability to bulk up and not labor around, but he moves pretty well.

A good friend of mine actually played with him while he was on Nanterre 92 (Chris Warren), didn't know that until I looked at what teams he played for.

remi_222 · Post #66 » by **remi_222** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:20 pm

the dude is DETERMINED to be great ! Rudy Gobert is already his mentor, and now he's gonna have TP mentoring him on top of that. Diet work and weights are his daily life apparently !

ROballer · Post #67 » by **ROballer** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:26 pm

Just curious why he's eligible only for 2023?

He's gonna be 18 years old in January and 18.5 years at next year's draft.

It seems moot to have him play 2 more years in Europe before coming over. He's gonna be absolutely ready in a year and probably #1 pick in 2022 as well.

bravor · Post #68 » by **bravor** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:57 pm

SOUL wrote:Such an interesting prospect. So much to like but I think it's natural to be a bit worried about his ability to bulk up and not labor around, but he moves pretty well.

A good friend of mine actually played with him while he was on Nanterre 92 (Chris Warren), didn't know that until I looked at what teams he played for.

Nanterre has been his team/club since he's 11. This is where he learnt basketball basically.

Chris is probably appreciated in Nanterre btw (he finished his third season with them).

Back to Victor, he has a lot to work on but he's alrady tougher than Gobert was at his age defensively (Gobert used to flop a lot here in 1/1 against enforcers). I am more worried with Asvel taking over his development (knowing Maledon was supposed to be a 1st rounder and we know what happened).

DickGrayson · Post #69 » by **DickGrayson** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:56 pm

He's ahead of his time. Who ever gets him will change the fate of the NBA. He's the chosen one.

jpatrick · Post #70 » by **jpatrick** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:28 pm

DickGrayson wrote:He's ahead of his time. Who ever gets him will change the fate of the NBA. He's the chosen one.

First time seeing him today. I was blown away. To me, the best prospect in the world regardless of class. And not really close IMO.

buzzkilloton · Post #71 » by **buzzkilloton** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:02 am

Generational prospect

2023 is going to be an awesome draft. Fire up your tanks!

Post #72 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:20 am

ROballer wrote:Just curious why he's eligible only for 2023?

He's gonna be 18 years old in January and 18.5 years at next year's draft.

It seems moot to have him play 2 more years in Europe before coming over. He's gonna be absolutely ready in a year and probably #1 pick in 2022 as well.

Per page 273 of the CBA https://web.archive.org/web/20171226073929/http://3c90sm37lsaecdwtr32v9qof-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2017-NBA-NBPA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf the player has to turn 19 by the end of the year of the draft. With him being born on 1/4/04, I believe that means he was born 4 days too late to be eligible for the 2022 draft.

ROballer · Post #73 » by **ROballer** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:34 am

Ruzious wrote:
ROballer wrote:Just curious why he's eligible only for 2023?

He's gonna be 18 years old in January and 18.5 years at next year's draft.

It seems moot to have him play 2 more years in Europe before coming over. He's gonna be absolutely ready in a year and probably #1 pick in 2022 as well.

Per page 273 of the CBA https://web.archive.org/web/20171226073929/http://3c90sm37lsaecdwtr32v9qof-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2017-NBA-NBPA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf the player has to turn 19 by the end of the year of the draft. With him being born on 1/4/04, I believe that means he was born 4 days too late to be eligible for the 2022 draft.

That's a whole load of horsecrap. Whoever made that rule needs to be fired ASAP.

You need to be able to manipulate it a little bit, concessions need to be made if it's close, as it is with this case. As you said, we're talking about 4 days here.
If he was born on 31/12/03 he would've been eligible.

This kid is going to miss a full year of NBA play because he was born 4 days too late. Unbelievable.

wco81 · Post #74 » by **wco81** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:13 am

Who pays to develop him, like the weight training and diet regimen?

His club team or France basketball?

Gobert got stronger after he arrive in the NBA so even if he didn't get a lot of minutes right away, the team which drafts him would put him on an offseason program.

Of course that didn't work with players like Bol but that was a long time ago.

So by the middle of this decade, we're going to have VW, Chet and Emoni Bates, all these 7 footers trying to iso and pull up 3-pointers on each other?

Which one of them will actually pull it off like KD?

peZt · Post #75 » by **peZt** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:04 am

wco81 wrote:Who pays to develop him, like the weight training and diet regimen?

His club team or France basketball?

Gobert got stronger after he arrive in the NBA so even if he didn't get a lot of minutes right away, the team which drafts him would put him on an offseason program.

Of course that didn't work with players like Bol but that was a long time ago.

So by the middle of this decade, we're going to have VW, Chet and Emoni Bates, all these 7 footers trying to iso and pull up 3-pointers on each other?

Which one of them will actually pull it off like KD?

He spends the year with his club team so them. But weight training doesn't have that big of a priority for some reason in Europe. Also they probably don't have quite the resources as NBA teams.

DroseReturnChi · Post #76 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:39 pm

jpatrick wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:He's ahead of his time. Who ever gets him will change the fate of the NBA. He's the chosen one.

First time seeing him today. I was blown away. To me, the best prospect in the world regardless of class. And not really close IMO.

right now he is but again hes far from pro hes just shown great flashes. unless he shows in euroleague im not overhyping he could be another gobert who isnt worth top 1. theres a lot of 7ft shooting 3s blocking which started from KP.

DroseReturnChi · Post #77 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:41 pm

UcanUwill wrote:First time seeing full game, not just highlights, holly crap hes good, has all timer on defense potential for sure.

all time defense no question but so is gobert. im not high on his offensive potential yet. todays nba you need bit of both than being one dimensional. to me, hes a worse prospect of giannis and giannis got overrated after his mvp days from mad underrated.

UcanUwill · Post #78 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:54 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:First time seeing full game, not just highlights, holly crap hes good, has all timer on defense potential for sure.

all time defense no question but so is gobert. im not high on his offensive potential yet. todays nba you need bit of both than being one dimensional. to me, hes a worse prospect of giannis and giannis got overrated after his mvp days from mad underrated.

his offense does suck, I agree with you completely, he has the worst parts of Porzingis, super tall but cant push anyone so he does nothing but fadeaways and semi contested long range spams. Lets say he stays healthy, still dont think he will all timer simply because his scoring passing look pretty weak, but on defense guy looks more dominant that Gobert. Offense and defense is not 50% on 50%, offense will almost always mean more, but in Victors case, he can be so dominant on that end its crazy.

Big J · Post #79 » by **Big J** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:01 pm

He’ll probably be a great regular season guy, but it’s a guard league now. What happens when a kyrie or Luka puts him on on an island over and over? The guys aren’t meant for playoff basketball.

sisibilio · Post #80 » by **sisibilio** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:35 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
jpatrick wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:He's ahead of his time. Who ever gets him will change the fate of the NBA. He's the chosen one.

First time seeing him today. I was blown away. To me, the best prospect in the world regardless of class. And not really close IMO.

right now he is but again hes far from pro hes just shown great flashes. unless he shows in euroleague im not overhyping he could be another gobert who isnt worth top 1. theres a lot of 7ft shooting 3s blocking which started from KP.

He's french and crazy long, that's all he has in common with Gobert. Hes way more coordinated and fluid, and his handles, shooting and passing are several orders of magnitude better