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Saben Lee is looking good as a 2nd rounder here

LloydFree wrote:#58. Paul Reed
#35. Xavier Tillman

Both Reed and Tillman were better than at least 5 of the bigs who were drafted in the 1st round. Both should have been picked no lower than 25.

Looking good. Tillman is so solid, and Reed is dominating in the G League. https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/r/reedpa01d.html

clyde21 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

because it's better than drafting **** players?

Uh no it *is* the definition of drafting *** players. It's also just a dumb use of draft capital.

i have no idea what any of this means but you do you.

No yeah, that makes sense.

Stillwater wrote:

doordoor123 wrote:Its going to be Aaron Nesmith. He's going to be so good IMO. I think he's going to be a perennial all-star. The Celtics ran away with another steal of the draft.

He kind of stayed hidden in this draft, kind of like Donovan Mitchell when he was drafted. I really think he's going to be amazing. No one at his age has ever had the kind of skilled shooting as him. He also has great size, the potential on defense, and he wants to be great. I have so much confidence in this guy and the fact the Celtics took him made me believe in him more.

Care to change your opinion yet because he has been awful trying to fill smarts shoes defensively.
And his shooting as expected has not transferred not even a little bit. Hes just looks like a shooter who struggles to be shot maker against length.
I like his potential but he was never klay 2.0

I think it's part rust and part rookie. He wasn't a steal, but he'll still improve a lot and become a good player. Boston being a mess has probably made things harder for him.

Ruzious wrote:

LloydFree wrote:#58. Paul Reed
#35. Xavier Tillman

Both Reed and Tillman were better than at least 5 of the bigs who were drafted in the 1st round. Both should have been picked no lower than 25.

Looking good. Tillman is so solid, and Reed is dominating in the G League. https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/r/reedpa01d.html

Reed still blows my mind. Was I watching some other dude than the pro scouts?

SNPA wrote:

Ruzious wrote:

LloydFree wrote:#58. Paul Reed
#35. Xavier Tillman

Both Reed and Tillman were better than at least 5 of the bigs who were drafted in the 1st round. Both should have been picked no lower than 25.

Looking good. Tillman is so solid, and Reed is dominating in the G League. https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/r/reedpa01d.html

Reed still blows my mind. Was I watching some other dude than the pro scouts?

Like I mentioned on the 76ers board, when we drafted him: I think he fell in the draft because they don't know where to play him. He's undersized for Center, and they didn't trust his shooting forn enough to trust him at PF. I personally believe he's a Power forward, and they just have to coach the turnover tendencies out of him.

LloydFree wrote:

SNPA wrote:

Ruzious wrote:Looking good. Tillman is so solid, and Reed is dominating in the G League. https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/r/reedpa01d.html

Reed still blows my mind. Was I watching some other dude than the pro scouts?

Like I mentioned on the 76ers board, when we drafted him: I think he fell in the draft because they don't know where to play him. He's undersized for Center, and they didn't trust his shooting forn enough to trust him at PF. I personally believe he's a Power forward, and they just have to coach the turnover tendencies out of him.

So dumb if true. He was clearly an NBA player, zero reason he should have made it out of the first round none less the end of the second. I still can’t get my head around It.

He was clearly a NBA athlete, it's a different thing, he can be a NBA player, has the potential to do so, but he was so freaking raw and clueless, just didn't show any inkling of knowing how to play bball, very low feeling, out of control, little polish, etc, and at his age/experience it was problematic

I had him mid 2nd, 40s, due to physical toolset and production as an upside bet, but him being a 1st round was far from a given

Fischella wrote:He was clearly a NBA athlete, it's a different thing, he can be a NBA player, has the potential to do so, but he was so freaking raw and clueless, just didn't show any inkling of knowing how to play bball, very low feeling, out of control, little polish, etc, and at his age/experience it was problematic

I had him mid 2nd, 40s, due to physical toolset and production as an upside bet, but him being a 1st round was far from a given

Ehhh...true but doesn’t change that he was clearly an NBA talent and player. At least to me it was obvious. I would have taken him as high as late lotto, which I know is way higher than most but I see him translating. His G league stats are showing I was right. These are exactly the types of numbers one wants to see from a rookie getting burn in the G league, they show he is an NBA player right now.

https://gleague.nba.com/player/paul-reed/

Again, tools are one thing, he is an athletic guy with measurables and a motor, and that's a good starting point, but his tape wasn't, very underwhelming for a Junior aged 21, soon to be 22, I have yet to see him in the gleague, maybe he has improved to the pont that he can be in a NBA rotation or maybe it's just the uber athleticism still taking over at lower levels

Fischella wrote:Again, tools are one thing, he is an athletic guy with measurables and a motor, and that's a good starting point, but his tape wasn't, very underwhelming for a Junior aged 21, soon to be 22, I have yet to see him in the gleague, maybe he has improved to the pont that he can be in a NBA rotation or maybe it's just the uber athleticism still taking over at lower levels

He is a big that’s mobile, shoots the three, protects the rim, gets steals, rebounds...

Yeah he had/has a little slack in his game, rotated on his shot a bit, and was older but if he didn’t have those things he profiles as a top ten pick.

He is a 15 minute a game NBA player right now, there’s no excuse for scouting departments and GMs to have let him slide to 58. That’s just malpractice.

steal of the draft right now is Hali and it's not even that close at this point, leads the entire class in WS, BPM, and VORP, his assist-to-TO ratio is absolutely stupid for his usage (per usual), with a +5 Net Rating on the year so far.

clyde21 wrote:steal of the draft right now is Hali and it's not even that close at this point, leads the entire class in WS, BPM, and VORP, his assist-to-TO ratio is absolutely stupid for his usage (per usual), with a +5 Net Rating on the year so far.

As a huge Hali guy (had him #1), I'm very glad to see him do well.

Quickley's not too far behind though, with a net rating of +4.5 and 12.2 ppg on 55.8 TS%. His ability to shoot the 3 off the dribble and to draw fouls makes it very hard to put a ceiling on him. I'm not claiming that he's gonna be a star, but he has showcased skills that All-Stars and All-NBA guards have, all the while having a positive impact on winning.

Thibs is a moron for moving IQ to the two in favor of Elfrid Payton of all people and Derrick Rose, especially since he had been so prolific as the lead ball-handler for the second unit before the Rose trade. It has messed with his confidence and reduced his usage. But we saw yesterday against the Kings how good he can be in that role as a scoring point guard.

Just wanted to give him a S/O.

35/7/2 for Reed today, to go along with 3 steals and 5 blocks

clyde21 wrote:35/7/2 for Reed today, to go along with 3 steals and 5 blocks

He doesn't run the floor very well at all times, he sometimes lacks a bit of hustle and sometimes can be out of control on defense, he doesn't get to the line as much as he should and he is a bit turnover prone. So there are a lot of things he can and should address and work on, and yet he just absolutely dominates the G-League. His jumper is a lot further along than I expected, but he just creates so many events – that's a skill that can be super valuable if channelled correctly.

I still can't wrap my head around him being drafted this late. I had him as a late lottery prospect but of course I knew that was uniquely high and had and has a chance to really look bad down the road. But almost going undrafted? That still blows my mind. Just on potential alone that should have never happened. I see him a bit like I saw McDaniels in that at some point you just have to take a guy with the potential to be that disruptive defensively who also has some offensive skill to build on. But for some reason, teams refused to take Reed even when the risk was basically non-existent, i.e. in the second round.

The-Power wrote:

clyde21 wrote:35/7/2 for Reed today, to go along with 3 steals and 5 blocks

He doesn't run the floor very well at all times, he sometimes lacks a bit of hustle and sometimes can be out of control on defense, he doesn't get to the line as much as he should and he is a bit turnover prone. So there are a lot of things he can and should address and work on, and yet he just absolutely dominates the G-League. His jumper is a lot further along than I expected, but he just creates so many events – that's a skill that can be super valuable if channelled correctly.

I still can't wrap my head around him being drafted this late. I had him as a late lottery prospect but of course I knew that was uniquely high and had and has a chance to really look bad down the road. But almost going undrafted? That still blows my mind. Just on potential alone that should have never happened. I see him a bit like I saw McDaniels in that at some point you just have to take a guy with the potential to be that disruptive defensively who also has some offensive skill to build on. But for some reason, teams refused to take Reed even when the risk was basically non-existent, i.e. in the second round.

NBA GMs gonna NBA GM per usual.

he still has a long way to go despite the production in the G League, but I don't know how you let someone with his physical profile and two-way package to drop that far.

right now I think most including myself slept on Nnaji quite a bit, I like his trajectory as a stretch 4/5 after another off season in the gym

Stillwater wrote:

doordoor123 wrote:

Catchall wrote:The Jazz think Udoka Azubuike is the next Shaq, so...

I will guarantee you he is not. Shaq was really good in the post and he was able to run like a wing. Azubuike will never be a good post player, he'll never be a good passer and he'll never be quick. That I can guarantee.

You cant guarantee that a freak of nature athlete cant be able to become a good post player when he is already a decent one or that he could become a good passer despite never showing he is close to that capability being a garbage man in college.
I guarantee you he will far exceed your low expectations for certain and as far as not being able to be quick he is easily as quick as Shaq who wasnt lol

Young Shaq was quick.

I was interested in Reed leading up to the draft and was surprised he fell to the end of the second. What I read after the draft is Teed got flagged in the interview process. No specifics, just his answers to questions gave us pause.

Nate Hinton and Naji Marshall were my two favorite 2nd round options (both then went undrafted), and from what i've seen in g-league and garbage minutes, I really like their chances of having long NBA careers.