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We need a thread about this dude. He's an older Freshman coming off the bench, but productive as all hell and has size. Has a twin brother that isn't playing as much.

Hilarious that Iowa is starting the coach's son (3ppg in 22 minutes) over this guy.

I think it's time to bump his thread. He's been a monster so far, on both ends of the floor!



This game is illustrative of his full offensive arsenal.

I’m always a year early lol


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He continues his crazy start to the season. So versatile, so under control and sneaky athletic in space.

He's a lock for top 10, and will likely end up in the top 5 if he keeps up this performance. I think a lot of people penciled him in as a 3&D player last year, but he's already surpassed that now. His athletic burst and ball skills are legit.

The only thing I wonder is if he's a 3/4 at the next level. I know forward positions are a bit washed now, but he's not really a PF, but he can protect the rim like one.

EvanZ wrote:We need a thread about this dude. He's an older Freshman coming off the bench, but productive as all hell and has size. Has a twin brother that isn't playing as much.

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You know you can make your point about a prospect without plugging your bunk twitter account like you have insider information.

Jus sayin'

Yeah, The Raptors board have been talking about him. He's going to rise for sure, especially since he's been so consistent scoring the ball at his size.

God Squad wrote:

EvanZ wrote:We need a thread about this dude. He's an older Freshman coming off the bench, but productive as all hell and has size. Has a twin brother that isn't playing as much.

Read on Twitter

You know you can make your point about a prospect without plugging your bunk twitter account like you have insider information.

Jus sayin'

Whoa that's a lot of heat for a post from January. Good luck with that anger!

Looking at his stats, I had to do a double-take, and he's probably going to get better at making 3's. Only 7 games, but a 49.7 PER is absurd. He looks a little bigger than the 6'8 215 he's listed at, but he's already 21, so probably no more growing.

916fan wrote:He's a lock for top 10, and will likely end up in the top 5 if he keeps up this performance. I think a lot of people penciled him in as a 3&D player last year, but he's already surpassed that now. His athletic burst and ball skills are legit.

The only thing I wonder is if he's a 3/4 at the next level. I know forward positions are a bit washed now, but he's not really a PF, but he can protect the rim like one.

I feel like he's kind of slow (both in the open court and in making short quick movements, especially laterally in 1/2 court). IMO definitely too slow to play anything other than the 4 or the 5 in the NBA. Obviously too small to play the 5.

So I think he has to play the 4. Good enough rim protection to play the 4 as well.

I currently have him no. 14 on my big board.

So I'm pretty high on him. But not as high as others - definitely not as high as you saying "he's a lock for top 10, and will likely end up in the top 5 if he keeps up this performance" because:

-Kind of an older dude, as he'll be 21 on draft night and 22 when he plays his 1st NBA game which limits upside
-Kind of slow moving overall. Like for example I am seeing Trayce Jackson-Davis on film look clearly quicker/faster than Murray - and Jackson-Davis is more of a center
-Not getting too carried away with the big numbers he's put up so far because of the weak competition. Only legit opponent. he's played so far is Virginia and Murray looked good in that game but seemed more like a good role player than a star - he was probably the only guy in that Iowa/Virginia game who will ever play in the NBA - I would have expected him to really stand out and dominate more
-Murray's defense has been suspect. Sure, he has provided some good rim protection but other than that his D (in terms of defending in space, locking up his man, helping off ball outside of the paint) has been meh from what I've seen
-Decent but not great athleticism
-Decent but not great outside shooter
-Decent but not great passer

Reminds me a bit of Paul Millsap on offense. Not sure he will be quite the same level of defender.

Short video from his game yesterday. He has a slow first step on offense and bad foot speed on defense. He's clearly a PF at the next level.

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babyjax13 wrote:Reminds me a bit of Paul Millsap on offense. Not sure he will be quite the same level of defender.

I've been struggling to think of good comps for Keegan, but I kind of like Millsap as an archetype comp. Keegan is definitely a straight 4 imo.

Nice player. I like guys who attack the basket with long strides, looks amazing and works well too.

He's definitely a 4 in the next level... and a modern 4 as well, either by protecting the basket and covering space in defense, or by pushing the ball and finishing in transition. Seems like he has got a nice shot as well.

And, before I forget, definitely looks way taller than 6'8''... seems at least 6'10'' by the videos I've seen.

Seems like a lottery pick IMO. This draft is shaping up to be unusually good by what I've been reading the past few weeks, I expected way less interesting players to follow.

GSWFan1994 wrote:Nice player. I like guys who attack the basket with long strides, looks amazing and works well too.

He's definitely a 4 in the next level... and a modern 4 as well, either by protecting the basket and covering space in defense, or by pushing the ball and finishing in transition. Seems like he has got a nice shot as well.

And, before I forget, definitely looks way taller than 6'8''... seems at least 6'10'' by the videos I've seen.

Seems like a lottery pick IMO. This draft is shaping up to be unusually good by what I've been reading the past few weeks, I expected way less interesting players to follow.

Yeah I’m surprised by the 6’8 with 6’11 wingspan listing. I would think 6’10 with 7’1ish wingspan by looking at him.

EvanZ wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:Reminds me a bit of Paul Millsap on offense. Not sure he will be quite the same level of defender.

I've been struggling to think of good comps for Keegan, but I kind of like Millsap as an archetype comp. Keegan is definitely a straight 4 imo.

I feel like EJ Liddell reminds me of Millsap more, especially in terms of build/physique as well as the fact that Lidell is a better, more versatile defender.

Hal14 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:Reminds me a bit of Paul Millsap on offense. Not sure he will be quite the same level of defender.

I've been struggling to think of good comps for Keegan, but I kind of like Millsap as an archetype comp. Keegan is definitely a straight 4 imo.

I feel like EJ Liddell reminds me of Millsap more, especially in terms of build/physique as well as the fact that Lidell is a better, more versatile defender.

Very good comp. Similarly underrated, gotta like the steady progressions he's made.

Hal14 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:Reminds me a bit of Paul Millsap on offense. Not sure he will be quite the same level of defender.

I've been struggling to think of good comps for Keegan, but I kind of like Millsap as an archetype comp. Keegan is definitely a straight 4 imo.

I feel like EJ Liddell reminds me of Millsap more, especially in terms of build/physique as well as the fact that Lidell is a better, more versatile defender.

I'm just making the comparison on offense.

We're not looking for comps for Millsap or EJ Liddell. We're looking for comps for Keegan Murray lol. That's the title of the thread.