jman3134 wrote:Ruzious wrote:jman3134 wrote:
He was not asked to make plays for his teammates, so it is stat cherry picking. If he doesn't succeed, it will be because he did not make the adjustments defensively in the P&R. It would be the equivalent of saying Sharife Cooper didn't succeed because of his deficiencies as a shot blocker.
EJ's play strength is not what it needs to be in the post and this led to some of the turnovers, but he played within Shawnee's offense and was a focal point teams were trying to stop. I am not projecting him as a primary post, given his limited lower body strength.
Greg Brown handles the ball more and had 60 TOs to EJ's 63. EJ was not responsible for creating off the dribble in college. He shot spot up 3s and posted. If EJ succeeds, it will be because of his ability to translate defensively and hit 3's. If he doesn't, it will likely be for the same reasons.
Just because it's not his primary responsibility to set up teammates doesn't mean he shouldn't do it at times - especially against terrible competition. And it's not anything resembling a point guard not blocking shots. That's an absurd rationalization for an obvious deficiency. As a prospect, he's not a 3 point shot; he's a long shot.
And I already said I'm not impressed with Greg Brown, so why are using him in your argument?
It really isn't an absurd comparison because you are cherry picking a stat to point to a notable flaw in his game (which has nothing to do with how he would be used in the NBA). He was on the finishing end of most plays and was not asked to handle the ball or serve as a fulcrum big man out of the post. In the NBA, he would not be asked to do these things either based on his body composition and his strength/weakness profile (he has a thin build with a weak base and won't be able to hold post position), his below average handle, etc. He projects as a catch and shoot option, with the chance to create second chance points due to his length. Most role players will not have the ball in their hands the majority of the time, so this is fine.
The turnover portion of the game that is relevant is his play strength (which is where the majority of his turnovers were derived from, not from a lack of vision). His frame needed to improve (and it has a bit), but this is still going to be a weakness when he plays in traffic and with regard to his defense. He will need some time in the G League to adjust. I said this from the initial report in Jan/Feb to now. Same deal.
Lol. I don't quite understand the 3 point shot/long shot jab. I have consistently put his potential in the proper context.
You mentioned Greg Brown and the "level of competition" as to why Brown is a prospect and EJ is not. I don't believe this is fair considering how many overseas standouts come from non-D1 programs. With that said, you can't even compare assists/turnovers with these guys as their games are worlds apart. Brown attacks off the bounce and was not the number 1 option on his team - solely a complementary weapon. However pointless the comparison, EJ had comparable turnover numbers. So, technically you can be a prospect with a poor assist/TO profile, if we are looking at this purely from a box score standpoint.
What do ya mean you don't understand the 3 point jab. It was a play on words - some humor. I think you've made the same points a number of times, so it's probably time to let it go. I don't think he's a prospect at all and not worth any more discussion. If he gets drafted or ever does something, feel free to open this discussion back up.
