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Who outside the top five, and likely drafted lotto, has the highest and most realistic upside?

(asked by a curious Kings fan)

Franz, Moody, Boston, Springer

clyde21 wrote:Franz, Moody, Boston, Springer

Betting your franchise - in a vacuum- which one is it and what’s the ceiling vs most likely outcome?

SNPA wrote:

clyde21 wrote:Franz, Moody, Boston, Springer

Betting your franchise - in a vacuum- which one is it and what’s the ceiling vs most likely outcome?

Moody has the best baseline to ceiling ratio imo out of this group, fundementals and bbiq are already a + and there is enough in the toolset for decent upside as a starting wing

If you're the Kings drafting in the 6 - 10 range, you are probably looking at Moody, Bouknight, the Tennessee guys, and maybe Kai Jones. Bouknight has some All Star potential, imo.

There's a scenario where Kai Jones is special, like a middling version of Anthony Davis, but I wouldn't say it's the most likely outcome. Or think Richaun Holmes with a 3pt shot and some wing-caliber ball skills.

Franz Wagner and Corey Kispert should be solid, if not stars.

clyde21 wrote:

SNPA wrote:

clyde21 wrote:Franz, Moody, Boston, Springer

Betting your franchise - in a vacuum- which one is it and what’s the ceiling vs most likely outcome?

Moody has the best baseline to ceiling ratio imo out of this group, fundementals and bbiq are already a + and there is enough in the toolset for decent upside as a starting wing

I think Moody would be enough to start shopping Buddy around if there are any takers.

Dosunmu, Bouknight, and Springer are the guys I like (in terms of pure upside) in that range. I also really like Scottie Barnes and Ziare Williams, and the latter seems like a good fit for Sacramento.

Barnes
Christopher
Bouknight
Johnson
Williams
Jones
Dosunmu

Moody may not have the highest upside but I like his chances of reaching his ceiling. I don't think whoever drafts him will be disappointed.

Bouknight or Moody for the Kings in my opinion. I like Barnes too but not for them.

SNPA wrote:Who outside the top five, and likely drafted lotto, has the highest and most realistic upside?

(asked by a curious Kings fan)

for starters how about providing us your top 5 lol
I assume you have the chalk of Cade,Kuminga,Mobley,Suggs and Green???
If so I think the least appreciated Ignite prospect is Todd for sure I'd be looking for him in that range.
Scottie Barnes is a lock in that range imo.
Both of them have starter floors not sure about upside beyond that this soon in the process but the outlook is pretty promising imo.

Stillwater wrote:

SNPA wrote:Who outside the top five, and likely drafted lotto, has the highest and most realistic upside?

(asked by a curious Kings fan)

for starters how about providing us your top 5 lol
I assume you have the chalk of Cade,Kuminga,Mobley,Suggs and Green???
If so I think the least appreciated Ignite prospect is Todd for sure I'd be looking for him in that range.
Scottie Barnes is a lock in that range imo.
Both of them have starter floors not sure about upside beyond that this soon in the process but the outlook is pretty promising imo.

I’m just coming around to this draft and the top five seems well cemented. My assumption is the King’s won’t be in that range but will be in the lotto. Upside is key. Getting a starter level player is good and all but the King’s need more than that to have another year of Walton be worth it.

What I’ve seen of Moody I like. I wonder if he can fill out and play SF? And can Barnes play SF? You’ll notice a theme...ideally this player is a SF but upside is more important. And what’s the deal with Krispert’s defense? I read wildly different takes.

SNPA wrote:

Stillwater wrote:

SNPA wrote:Who outside the top five, and likely drafted lotto, has the highest and most realistic upside?

(asked by a curious Kings fan)

for starters how about providing us your top 5 lol
I assume you have the chalk of Cade,Kuminga,Mobley,Suggs and Green???
If so I think the least appreciated Ignite prospect is Todd for sure I'd be looking for him in that range.
Scottie Barnes is a lock in that range imo.
Both of them have starter floors not sure about upside beyond that this soon in the process but the outlook is pretty promising imo.

I’m just coming around to this draft and the top five seems well cemented. My assumption is the King’s won’t be in that range but will be in the lotto. Upside is key. Getting a starter level player is good at all but the King’s need more than that to have another year of Walton be worth it.

What I’ve seen of Moody I like. I wonder if he can fill out and play SF? And can Barnes play SF? You’ll notice a theme...ideally this player is a SF but upside is more important. And what’s the deal with Krispert’s defense? I read wildly different takes.

I like Keon Johnson a lot for the Kings. 2 way. Freak athlete. Good IQ and super young. His ceiling is Jimmy Butleresque. Kings need defense.

I’ve been thinking about this same scenario for my Bulls.

- I think Keon and Bouknight have the highest potential

Comps...
- Barnes Draymond
- Bouknight Lavine
- Keon Jimmy
- Z Will Rashard Lewis
- Moody John Salmons on Roids
- Springer Brogdon
- Ayo Jrue Holiday

I think Scottie Barnes would be the best fit for the Bulls.

Chi town wrote:I’ve been thinking about this same scenario for my Bulls.

- I think Keon and Bouknight have the highest potential

Comps...
- Barnes Draymond
- Bouknight Lavine
- Keon Jimmy
- Z Will Rashard Lewis
- Moody John Salmons on Roids
- Springer Brogdon
- Ayo Jrue Holiday

I think Scottie Barnes would be the best fit for the Bulls.

Wow. That was my exact take too.

SNPA wrote:Who outside the top five, and likely drafted lotto, has the highest and most realistic upside?

(asked by a curious Kings fan)

highest upside Kai Jones, Bennedict Mathurin or Keon Johnson, most realistic Kispert, Wagner, Moody

Fischella wrote:

SNPA wrote:Who outside the top five, and likely drafted lotto, has the highest and most realistic upside?

(asked by a curious Kings fan)

highest upside Kai Jones, Bennedict Mathurin or Keon Johnson, most realistic Kispert, Wagner, Moody

Interesting. Why is he so far down some boards? How is his defense? Because first glance offensively he is all three and rim, that’s likely a McNair type of player.

SNPA wrote:

Fischella wrote:

SNPA wrote:Who outside the top five, and likely drafted lotto, has the highest and most realistic upside?

(asked by a curious Kings fan)

highest upside Kai Jones, Bennedict Mathurin or Keon Johnson, most realistic Kispert, Wagner, Moody

Interesting. Why is he so far down some boards? How is his defense? Because first glance offensively he is all three and rim, that’s likely a McNair type of player.

I think it may be because it is not a certainty that he's even going to declare. My gut tells me that he'll attend pre draft events if they are held, but he won't officially declare unless the people advising him think strongly that he'll go in the first round. I think the kids has tons of potential. In fact on the Bulls Forum I mentioned him as someone I wish we could draft if we had another late First round pick. This Draft has some potential superstars at the top. But I think the entire First and the early Second Round have potential picks with at the very least the ability to become solid rotation players. Mathurin is young but he's been on a trajectory to the NBA since he was 16 and left home to play in Mexico City at the NBA Academy. He's tight with Lu Dort, another Canadian who went to Arizona. If I was advising him I probably tell him to jump if he gets assurances of a FRP. He'd likely go in the 20-30 range, which means going to a team with a decent roster. He'd have time to develop while practicing against high level talent. He probably wouldn't get much burn, but he'd improve over the course of the season. The other side of the coin is to stay another year and hope to improve his handle and other aspects of his game and hopefully go higher in the 2022 Draft. But there is always that chance of injury, and leaving after 1 year gets him to his second contract one year sooner. I see him as a SG now, but as he gets a little older and fills out a bit more maybe a SF.

Fischella wrote:

SNPA wrote:Who outside the top five, and likely drafted lotto, has the highest and most realistic upside?

(asked by a curious Kings fan)

highest upside Kai Jones, Bennedict Mathurin or Keon Johnson, most realistic Kispert, Wagner, Moody

I think Wagner is going to be better than many think. He has a high BBIQ, has grown into forward size, and has tremendous defensive fundamentals. A wise coach once told me you rise to the level of your IQ.

A starting line-up of Fox, Haliburton, Wagner, Barnes, Holmes could be pretty nice.

Mathurin is a good bet. Best combo of youth, length, athleticism, archetype, handle, and shooting.

Also it won’t surprise me if BJ Boston breaks out and everyone is shocked when another Calipari prospect appears to have been hidden.