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1 Detroit: Cade Cunningham

who does Houston take?

very interesting pick here.

You would think it's either Green, MObley or Suggs. Out of those 3, Suggs is probably the worst prospect of the 3 but the best fit for the Rockets since Mobley/Wood would be redundant and so would Green/Porter Jr but Houston has nobody at PG.

They'd be pretty undersized if they went Porter Jr at the 2 and Green at the (especially if they go Wood at the 5, who is also undersized at center at 6'10", 215)

I think Mobley/Wood playing together would work out better than Green/Porter Jr.

But I vote Suggs. He is close enough talent-wise to Mobley and Green. Suggs is a better defender than Green, he's a better passer than either Green or Mobley. You look at the rockets current roster. Your best players are Wood, Porter Jr, Tate and Martin Jr. Those guys are all either 2, 3, 4 or 5. What's missing is a PG.

You draft Suggs, you trade Wall. You let Olynyk walk in free agency unless he'll still for the veteran minimum.

I dont see them passing on Mobley but if Green and KPJ can coexist they might go that route too.

I think people are looking too much into the fit. KPJ looked good, but they shouldn't trust him enough - yet- to make big decisions based around. And even if he does keep his head on straight, if the three point jumper doesn't come around he seems like more of a six man type than cornerstone piece. Wood may be gone in two years

i think people gotta keep in mind here that Houston has 2 more picks in the 1st...does that change who they pick here? if it's close between Green/Mobley, do they go with a guard because they like a big later...or maybe they go Mobley cuz they like the guards later?

clyde21 wrote:i think people gotta keep in mind here that Houston has 2 more picks in the 1st...does that change who they pick here? if it's close between Green/Mobley, do they go with a guard because they like a big later...or maybe they go Mobley cuz they like the guards later?

If your team is trash you ALWAYS gotta take BPA and worry about fit later. We learned this in the 80s with Bowie.

Big J wrote:

clyde21 wrote:i think people gotta keep in mind here that Houston has 2 more picks in the 1st...does that change who they pick here? if it's close between Green/Mobley, do they go with a guard because they like a big later...or maybe they go Mobley cuz they like the guards later?

If your team is trash you ALWAYS gotta take BPA and worry about fit later. We learned this in the 80s with Bowie.

that's why i specifically added that part.

Stillwater wrote:I dont see them passing on Mobley but if Green and KPJ can coexist they might go that route too.

How would they know that prior to the draft?

Does any other team in the league start a 6'4" SG and a 6'5" SF? I don't think so.

Well, I suppose Portland and Torono did this past season with Trent Jr and Powell playing a lot of 3..

clyde21 wrote:i think people gotta keep in mind here that Houston has 2 more picks in the 1st...does that change who they pick here? if it's close between Green/Mobley, do they go with a guard because they like a big later...or maybe they go Mobley cuz they like the guards later?

Good point.

And another reason why they might go with either Mobley/Green here instead of Suggs. Because even though PG is a bigger need for them than SG or C, there will definitely be some PGs available they could possibly take with one of their 2 other 1st round picks (Cooper, McBride, Springer, Butler, Mitchell, Giddey)..

Hal14 wrote:

Stillwater wrote:I dont see them passing on Mobley but if Green and KPJ can coexist they might go that route too.

How would they know that prior to the draft?

Does any other team in the league start a 6'4" SG and a 6'5" SF? I don't think so.

Well, I suppose Portland and Torono did this past season with Trent Jr and Powell playing a lot of 3..

Houston used KPJ at the 1

If I'm Houston KPJ isn't in my long term plans. Guys with off court issues early on tend to have them pop up throughout their career. They should actually be gauging his value now while his stock is high.

None of these teams at the top of the draft should be worried about fit. With that said I would probably take the guard over the big man in today's NBA assuming the talents are fairly equivalent. Just look at the top 3 in the last draft..the guards, Edwards and Ball, both outplayed the big man Wiseman.

Big J wrote:

clyde21 wrote:i think people gotta keep in mind here that Houston has 2 more picks in the 1st...does that change who they pick here? if it's close between Green/Mobley, do they go with a guard because they like a big later...or maybe they go Mobley cuz they like the guards later?

If your team is trash you ALWAYS gotta take BPA and worry about fit later. We learned this in the 80s with Bowie.

The gap between Jordan vs Bowie is much different than the gap between Green/Mobley vs Suggs. Suggs is arguably better than both Mobley and Green. Most people see those 3 as pretty interchangeable. If they're interchangeable and 1 of them (Suggs) plays a position that the team has a much larger need for, Suggs could be a solid pick for HOU..

And Drexler at 6'7" was more than capable of sliding from the 2 to the 3 to make room for 6'6" Jordan, whereas playing 6'4" Porter Jr and 6'5" Green is definitely an undersized wing combo..

Stillwater wrote:

Hal14 wrote:

Stillwater wrote:I dont see them passing on Mobley but if Green and KPJ can coexist they might go that route too.

How would they know that prior to the draft?

Does any other team in the league start a 6'4" SG and a 6'5" SF? I don't think so.

Well, I suppose Portland and Torono did this past season with Trent Jr and Powell playing a lot of 3..

Houston used KPJ at the 1

Well that's a mistake to play a guy who dropped 50 points in a game at the 1...they probably only did it cause they literally have no one else at the 1, they're so desperate for a PG which is why Suggs could be a good pick..

Clearly, Porter Jr's natural position is the 2.

Hal14 wrote:

Stillwater wrote:

Hal14 wrote:How would they know that prior to the draft?

Does any other team in the league start a 6'4" SG and a 6'5" SF? I don't think so.

Well, I suppose Portland and Torono did this past season with Trent Jr and Powell playing a lot of 3..

Houston used KPJ at the 1

Well that's a mistake to play a guy who dropped 50 points in a game at the 1...they probably only did it cause they literally have no one else at the 1, they're so desperate for a PG which is why Suggs could be a good pick..

Clearly, Porter Jr's natural position is the 2.

It's a mistake playing a guy who dropped 50 at the 1? Hello, do the names Curry, Lillard, & Trae ring a bell. The best PG's in the league put up big scoring numbers. You just need to pair them with a playmaking forward.

Big J wrote:

Hal14 wrote:

Stillwater wrote:Houston used KPJ at the 1

Well that's a mistake to play a guy who dropped 50 points in a game at the 1...they probably only did it cause they literally have no one else at the 1, they're so desperate for a PG which is why Suggs could be a good pick..

Clearly, Porter Jr's natural position is the 2.

It's a mistake playing a guy who dropped 50 at the 1? Hello, do the names Curry, Lillard, & Trae ring a bell. The best PG's in the league put up big scoring numbers. You just need to pair them with a playmaking forward.

KPJ is still not a 1, or really even a combo guy at this point, he's more of a pure 2 than anything, his best position is off-ball guard, most optimal role is bench scorer until he develops more ancillary skills too...but yea, he's not a 1, not sure what you're talking about.

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:

Hal14 wrote:Well that's a mistake to play a guy who dropped 50 points in a game at the 1...they probably only did it cause they literally have no one else at the 1, they're so desperate for a PG which is why Suggs could be a good pick..

Clearly, Porter Jr's natural position is the 2.

It's a mistake playing a guy who dropped 50 at the 1? Hello, do the names Curry, Lillard, & Trae ring a bell. The best PG's in the league put up big scoring numbers. You just need to pair them with a playmaking forward.

KPJ is still not a 1, or really even a combo guy at this point, he's more of a pure 2 than anything, his best position is off-ball guard, most optimal role is bench scorer until he develops more ancillary skills too...but yea, he's not a 1, not sure what you're talking about.

IDK. I thought KPJ was a pure 2 as well. But this dude's comment made me look up some stats. KPG actually had a assist rate of 31.2% compared to a usage rate of 25.4%. And he had over 6 assists per game. I didn't realize the dude was that good of a passer. Maybe this dude can play the 1..

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:

Hal14 wrote:Well that's a mistake to play a guy who dropped 50 points in a game at the 1...they probably only did it cause they literally have no one else at the 1, they're so desperate for a PG which is why Suggs could be a good pick..

Clearly, Porter Jr's natural position is the 2.

It's a mistake playing a guy who dropped 50 at the 1? Hello, do the names Curry, Lillard, & Trae ring a bell. The best PG's in the league put up big scoring numbers. You just need to pair them with a playmaking forward.

KPJ is still not a 1, or really even a combo guy at this point, he's more of a pure 2 than anything, his best position is off-ball guard, most optimal role is bench scorer until he develops more ancillary skills too...but yea, he's not a 1, not sure what you're talking about.

My post was more of a critique of the idea that it's "a mistake to play a guy who dropped 50 points in a game" at the 1. I could care less what KPJ's true position is. Hell, if I'm Houston KPJ's not in my long term plans because dudes with off court issues early on tend to have them pop back up throughout their careers.

Hal14 wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:
It's a mistake playing a guy who dropped 50 at the 1? Hello, do the names Curry, Lillard, & Trae ring a bell. The best PG's in the league put up big scoring numbers. You just need to pair them with a playmaking forward.

KPJ is still not a 1, or really even a combo guy at this point, he's more of a pure 2 than anything, his best position is off-ball guard, most optimal role is bench scorer until he develops more ancillary skills too...but yea, he's not a 1, not sure what you're talking about.

IDK. I thought KPJ was a pure 2 as well. But this dude's comment made me look up some stats. KPG actually had a assist rate of 31.2% compared to a usage rate of 25.4%. And he had over 6 assists per game. I didn't realize the dude was that good of a passer. Maybe this dude can play the 1..

he can't, he doesnt run any set plays and his game management is nonexistent, those are just pretty empty numbers on a tanking team just throwing whatever out there, no one took these dudes seriously.

he's not a 1 at this point, and u certainly don't make any draft decisions based on whatever happened this last szn.

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:

Hal14 wrote:Well that's a mistake to play a guy who dropped 50 points in a game at the 1...they probably only did it cause they literally have no one else at the 1, they're so desperate for a PG which is why Suggs could be a good pick..

Clearly, Porter Jr's natural position is the 2.

It's a mistake playing a guy who dropped 50 at the 1? Hello, do the names Curry, Lillard, & Trae ring a bell. The best PG's in the league put up big scoring numbers. You just need to pair them with a playmaking forward.

KPJ is still not a 1, or really even a combo guy at this point, he's more of a pure 2 than anything, his best position is off-ball guard, most optimal role is bench scorer until he develops more ancillary skills too...but yea, he's not a 1, not sure what you're talking about.

He looked pretty good down there as a floor general dropping 10 dimes easy. I don't think a kid who needs the ball in their hands as much as KPJ does is better as a off ball guard at all. They can play him as a point 3 or something though