New York Knicks have picks 19, 21 & 32...

[NYK-Mentality85]

Last year we absolutely stole the SEC Player of the Year @ pick #25 out of Kentucky who ended up making an All-Rookie NBA Second-Team die to 118 made 3's and a beautiful floater.

My question is this: with damn near 3 1st round draft picks...

With picks #19, #21 and #32 should the Knicks stay put and let these kids fall to us or should we become aggressive and package them all in order to trade up for a player?

And if so, which player should we trade up for?

[BlazersBroncos]

I dont really see a team above 19 that would rather get multiple picks than a single good player. I know that likely isnt true in reality, but right now I just dont see much. I think 19 and 21 gets you around 15 / 16, but dont see WAS or OKC wanting to move down.

[clyde21]

i'd trade #14 for Knicks' #21 and #32 if offered and if the guys I want at 14 are gone, obviously would depend on how the board shakes out.

[Wizop]

i'd trade #14 for Knicks' #21 and #32 if offered and if the guys I want at 14 are gone, obviously would depend on how the board shakes out.

I feel the same way about the 13 but I'd hold out for the 19 and 21. 19 and 32 would need a 2022 addition

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[NYK-Mentality85]

i'd trade #14 for Knicks' #21 and #32 if offered and if the guys I want at 14 are gone, obviously would depend on how the board shakes out.

Which players are you hoping who falls to 14?

[Nazrmohamed]

i'd trade #14 for Knicks' #21 and #32 if offered and if the guys I want at 14 are gone, obviously would depend on how the board shakes out.

Well your name is Clyde so I'm sure that's what you'd do. What would the team with pick 14 do?

From my POV there's parity between picks 10-19 so you gotta get me further than.......well for pick 19&32 I guess 14 is a great leap but I'm willing to do 19&22 for 11-13. Now the kids a potential starter by yr 2. And I say that cuz it can't get much better than Quickley for a rookie in my recent memory. Where he was killing it and it meant something. And that was a weak draft wasn't it? So I'm good staying put unless it's 11 or 12. Depends on who's left at 13. Forget the number, who's everyone's player?

[BostonCouchGM]

the Toppin picks was terrible and you're bound to lose half the roster via FA. You've mismanaged Knox so I'm sure he's desperate to leave as well. You need all the help you can get and I think it's a deep draft where you'll be able to find talent that helps at all three picks. Maybe you can package Knox and a pick to move up to #14 with the Warriors? To maybe take someone you like that has slid?

[clyde21]

i'd trade #14 for Knicks' #21 and #32 if offered and if the guys I want at 14 are gone, obviously would depend on how the board shakes out.

Which players are you hoping who falls to 14?

for the Warriors? definitely Moody/Keon/Springer if we take Wagner or Barnes at 7.

not sure who the Knicks would really like enough @ 14 to move up for, maybe Jalen Johnson if he falls or JT Thor if they like him enough.

[clyde21]

i'd trade #14 for Knicks' #21 and #32 if offered and if the guys I want at 14 are gone, obviously would depend on how the board shakes out.

Well your name is Clyde so I'm sure that's what you'd do. What would the team with pick 14 do?

From my POV there's parity between picks 10-19 so you gotta get me further than.......well for pick 19&32 I guess 14 is a great leap but I'm willing to do 19&22 for 11-13. Now the kids a potential starter by yr 2. And I say that cuz it can't get much better than Quickley for a rookie in my recent memory. Where he was killing it and it meant something. And that was a weak draft wasn't it? So I'm good staying put unless it's 11 or 12. Depends on who's left at 13. Forget the number, who's everyone's player?

what would Myers do? no idea, I have no real faith in Myers, I'm just expectin him to take Kispert or Mitchell tbh and call it a day.

for the Knicks, why would u be willing to package 19/22 for 11-13 but not 14? who do you think will be available in that range but not @ 14? who would you target there?

and yea, if you think you can get better value at 19/32 than 14 that makes sense too unless again a guy drops to 14 that the Knicks really like (Jalen Johnson or JT Thor maybe for that team would be a good pick up).

[NYK-Mentality85]

i'd trade #14 for Knicks' #21 and #32 if offered and if the guys I want at 14 are gone, obviously would depend on how the board shakes out.

Which players are you hoping who falls to 14?

for the Warriors? definitely Moody/Keon/Springer if we take Wagner or Barnes at 7.

not sure who the Knicks would really like enough @ 14 to move up for, maybe Jalen Johnson if he falls or JT Thor if they like him enough.

If we stay put @ 19 & 21 I'm praying that both of Sharife Cooper falls to us @ 19 in order to battle Immanuel Quickley @ PG.

Kid won the SEC Freshman of the year and averaged 20.2 points, 8.1 assists and 4.3 rebounds and 1.0 steals per game. That's absolutely disgusting for a true Freshman.

Tre Mann @ 21 out of Florida. As an FSU fan it's not often I fall in love with Gator kids but I freaking love this kid and I believe he'd become instant fire power off the bench as a sparkplug.

PS: Scottie Barnes is one of my favorite FSU kids of All-Time he's super raw but he's got insane potential I'm talking Greek Freak type potential because he's a nightmare terror on Defense and @ 6'8/6'9 he's literally got PG type of ball handling ability. I think he's deserving of the #1 pick and whoever gets him is walking away with the kid who has the most potential throughout the entire draft.

[Nazrmohamed]

the Toppin picks was terrible and you're bound to lose half the roster via FA. You've mismanaged Knox so I'm sure he's desperate to leave as well. You need all the help you can get and I think it's a deep draft where you'll be able to find talent that helps at all three picks. Maybe you can package Knox and a pick to move up to #14 with the Warriors? To maybe take someone you like that has slid?

Totally agree. I don't think my fellow Knicks fans understand how many of our own guys may look elsewhere for a payday. They'll watch as we prioritize everyone else and wanna know where their bag is. I think we need to draft at every pick we have. And not only that, guys who can walk in and take a spot in the rotation. I'm looking for Quickleys. I expect rookie season production

[EMG518]

the Toppin picks was terrible and you're bound to lose half the roster via FA. You've mismanaged Knox so I'm sure he's desperate to leave as well. You need all the help you can get and I think it's a deep draft where you'll be able to find talent that helps at all three picks. Maybe you can package Knox and a pick to move up to #14 with the Warriors? To maybe take someone you like that has slid?

Totally agree. I don't think my fellow Knicks fans understand how many of our own guys may look elsewhere for a payday. They'll watch as we prioritize everyone else and wanna know where their bag is. I think we need to draft at every pick we have. And not only that, guys who can walk in and take a spot in the rotation. I'm looking for Quickleys. I expect rookie season production

They can walk honestly. We have drafted wrong every year pretty much that I can recall for years now.

I would 100% trade 32 with one of the other picks to get 14.

I would hope Jared Butler, Corey Kispert, Jaden Springer are available at 14.

[Ruzious]

the Toppin picks was terrible and you're bound to lose half the roster via FA. You've mismanaged Knox so I'm sure he's desperate to leave as well. You need all the help you can get and I think it's a deep draft where you'll be able to find talent that helps at all three picks. Maybe you can package Knox and a pick to move up to #14 with the Warriors? To maybe take someone you like that has slid?

Totally agree. I don't think my fellow Knicks fans understand how many of our own guys may look elsewhere for a payday. They'll watch as we prioritize everyone else and wanna know where their bag is. I think we need to draft at every pick we have. And not only that, guys who can walk in and take a spot in the rotation. I'm looking for Quickleys. I expect rookie season production

They can walk honestly. We have drafted wrong every year pretty much that I can recall for years now.

I would 100% trade 32 with one of the other picks to get 14.

I would hope Jared Butler, Corey Kispert, Jaden Springer are available at 14.

Ha, I was gonna ask if people thought the Knicks would do 21 and 32 for 15 (Wizards).

[3toheadmelo]

If you can’t trade up for Bouknight, you take Bones at 19

[EMG518]

Totally agree. I don't think my fellow Knicks fans understand how many of our own guys may look elsewhere for a payday. They'll watch as we prioritize everyone else and wanna know where their bag is. I think we need to draft at every pick we have. And not only that, guys who can walk in and take a spot in the rotation. I'm looking for Quickleys. I expect rookie season production

They can walk honestly. We have drafted wrong every year pretty much that I can recall for years now.

I would 100% trade 32 with one of the other picks to get 14.

I would hope Jared Butler, Corey Kispert, Jaden Springer are available at 14.

Ha, I was gonna ask if people thought the Knicks would do 21 and 32 for 15 (Wizards).

I would personally. People slip every draft and 15 is a place I think you can get real value. If every team drafts fairly well that value won't be available at 21. Who knows with the Knicks though.

[Nazrmohamed]

the Toppin picks was terrible and you're bound to lose half the roster via FA. You've mismanaged Knox so I'm sure he's desperate to leave as well. You need all the help you can get and I think it's a deep draft where you'll be able to find talent that helps at all three picks. Maybe you can package Knox and a pick to move up to #14 with the Warriors? To maybe take someone you like that has slid?

Totally agree. I don't think my fellow Knicks fans understand how many of our own guys may look elsewhere for a payday. They'll watch as we prioritize everyone else and wanna know where their bag is. I think we need to draft at every pick we have. And not only that, guys who can walk in and take a spot in the rotation. I'm looking for Quickleys. I expect rookie season production

They can walk honestly. We have drafted wrong every year pretty much that I can recall for years now.

I would 100% trade 32 with one of the other picks to get 14.

I would hope Jared Butler, Corey Kispert, Jaden Springer are available at 14.

I guess it really comes down to the player but I don't see any can't miss prospects. For instance you just mentioned 3 players. I've read numerous mocks and if I took the average only Corey Kispert is regularly listed between 11-16. He rises and falls by the day but almost always between 11-16.

However the other 2 guys Butler and Springer I typically see as low as 14 all the way to 24 depending on the mock. Now mocks are mocks, you gotta believe in whoever you want and do your own research. I like both players but remember we got pick 19 and 22. Its possible you can't simply stay put and grab both..or maybe you get one, miss out on the other and there's somebody else. At the end of the day none of these guys are gonna be franchise players. At 14 you probably wouldn't get a franchise player either. I think it's safe to say you should expect a starter for sure. I just think you can find that at 19&22.

With that said though if the cost is truly just adding pick 32 then of course, I'm down. I just dont see why a team at 14 would do that. If we had the 14th pick I wouldn't trade it five picks back just to land pick 32. You'd have to give me both pick 19 and 22 and still that's more of a lateral move or at least that's how I'd posture it. I might even ask for your pick 58.

[EMG518]

Totally agree. I don't think my fellow Knicks fans understand how many of our own guys may look elsewhere for a payday. They'll watch as we prioritize everyone else and wanna know where their bag is. I think we need to draft at every pick we have. And not only that, guys who can walk in and take a spot in the rotation. I'm looking for Quickleys. I expect rookie season production

They can walk honestly. We have drafted wrong every year pretty much that I can recall for years now.

I would 100% trade 32 with one of the other picks to get 14.

I would hope Jared Butler, Corey Kispert, Jaden Springer are available at 14.

I guess it really comes down to the player but I don't see any can't miss prospects. For instance you just mentioned 3 players. I've read numerous mocks and if I took the average only Corey Kispert is regularly listed between 11-16. He rises and falls by the day but almost always between 11-16.

However the other 2 guys Butler and Springer I typically see as low as 14 all the way to 24 depending on the mock. Now mocks are mocks, you gotta believe in whoever you want and do your own research. I like both players but remember we got pick 19 and 22. Its possible you can't simply stay put and grab both..or maybe you get one, miss out on the other and there's somebody else. At the end of the day none of these guys are gonna be franchise players. At 14 you probably wouldn't get a franchise player either. I think it's safe to say you should expect a starter for sure. I just think you can find that at 19&22.

With that said though if the cost is truly just adding pick 32 then of course, I'm down. I just dont see why a team at 14 would do that. If we had the 14th pick I wouldn't trade it five picks back just to land pick 32. You'd have to give me both pick 19 and 22 and still that's more of a lateral move or at least that's how I'd posture it. I might even ask for your pick 58.

I whole heartedly believe you move up and secure your target if you can, especially if the only cost is a 2nd rounder and you have 3 picks already in the draft. I think you actually see that 10-14 range produce alot of really high end players. I am really high on those guys. I don't know what the definition of a franchise player is, if it's like AD or Zion level prospects than sure, they are not that but I see all star potential there and very good players. I want those type of players.

[Nazrmohamed]

They can walk honestly. We have drafted wrong every year pretty much that I can recall for years now.

I would 100% trade 32 with one of the other picks to get 14.

I would hope Jared Butler, Corey Kispert, Jaden Springer are available at 14.

I guess it really comes down to the player but I don't see any can't miss prospects. For instance you just mentioned 3 players. I've read numerous mocks and if I took the average only Corey Kispert is regularly listed between 11-16. He rises and falls by the day but almost always between 11-16.

However the other 2 guys Butler and Springer I typically see as low as 14 all the way to 24 depending on the mock. Now mocks are mocks, you gotta believe in whoever you want and do your own research. I like both players but remember we got pick 19 and 22. Its possible you can't simply stay put and grab both..or maybe you get one, miss out on the other and there's somebody else. At the end of the day none of these guys are gonna be franchise players. At 14 you probably wouldn't get a franchise player either. I think it's safe to say you should expect a starter for sure. I just think you can find that at 19&22.

With that said though if the cost is truly just adding pick 32 then of course, I'm down. I just dont see why a team at 14 would do that. If we had the 14th pick I wouldn't trade it five picks back just to land pick 32. You'd have to give me both pick 19 and 22 and still that's more of a lateral move or at least that's how I'd posture it. I might even ask for your pick 58.

I whole heartedly believe you move up and secure your target if you can, especially if the only cost is a 2nd rounder and you have 3 picks already in the draft. I think you actually see that 10-14 range produce alot of really high end players. I am really high on those guys. I don't know what the definition of a franchise player is, if it's like AD or Zion level prospects than sure, they are not that but I see all star potential there and very good players. I want those type of players.

I guess for me to respond further I'd have to know which players you speak of. Based on names you provided I just dont see it. I see Kispert truly being the best player and for me he's similar to a Dan Marjerly where he's a shooter but not simply a complimentary shooter, a guy who can shoot ad your teams 2nd or 3rd option. That may seem low to you but I've watched so many drafts and I'll tell you EVERYBODY is gonna be a star literally until their first practice. All you gotta do is read last yrs draft board and them the yr before. So excuse me if I'm alittle conservative when I assess players.

Butler to me projects as an awesome player that I think any team would want but in terms of ceiling we may be looking at a Jarrett Jack or Darren Collison. In 15 yrs he would've had a long nba career, probably contributed to many playoff teams and someone you can rely on. Nobody wants to hear that during a draft process but if that is indeed what you get at 19 then you did good.

Springer to me is another guy who can be anything from a 5th to 8th man. He works hard, plays solid defense, can score off the ball but has some limitations IMO that would prevent him from being a go to guy at the next level. I think he could be similar to an Alonxo Trier with defense, which indeed is a good player. Maybe good enough to have the same impact as Alonzo felt like he had, except on a team with winning expectations which is saying allot.

But again, Idk if you trade up for that. Actually yes you do if it's pick 32. I'll say I'd do any of the trade up scenarios if it's simply the 32nd pick being added.

[EMG518]

I guess it really comes down to the player but I don't see any can't miss prospects. For instance you just mentioned 3 players. I've read numerous mocks and if I took the average only Corey Kispert is regularly listed between 11-16. He rises and falls by the day but almost always between 11-16.

However the other 2 guys Butler and Springer I typically see as low as 14 all the way to 24 depending on the mock. Now mocks are mocks, you gotta believe in whoever you want and do your own research. I like both players but remember we got pick 19 and 22. Its possible you can't simply stay put and grab both..or maybe you get one, miss out on the other and there's somebody else. At the end of the day none of these guys are gonna be franchise players. At 14 you probably wouldn't get a franchise player either. I think it's safe to say you should expect a starter for sure. I just think you can find that at 19&22.

With that said though if the cost is truly just adding pick 32 then of course, I'm down. I just dont see why a team at 14 would do that. If we had the 14th pick I wouldn't trade it five picks back just to land pick 32. You'd have to give me both pick 19 and 22 and still that's more of a lateral move or at least that's how I'd posture it. I might even ask for your pick 58.

I whole heartedly believe you move up and secure your target if you can, especially if the only cost is a 2nd rounder and you have 3 picks already in the draft. I think you actually see that 10-14 range produce alot of really high end players. I am really high on those guys. I don't know what the definition of a franchise player is, if it's like AD or Zion level prospects than sure, they are not that but I see all star potential there and very good players. I want those type of players.

I guess for me to respond further I'd have to know which players you speak of. Based on names you provided I just dont see it. I see Kispert truly being the best player and for me he's similar to a Dan Marjerly where he's a shooter but not simply a complimentary shooter, a guy who can shoot ad your teams 2nd or 3rd option. That may seem low to you but I've watched so many drafts and I'll tell you EVERYBODY is gonna be a star literally until their first practice. All you gotta do is read last yrs draft board and them the yr before. So excuse me if I'm alittle conservative when I assess players.

Butler to me projects as an awesome player that I think any team would want but in terms of ceiling we may be looking at a Jarrett Jack or Darren Collison. In 15 yrs he would've had a long nba career, probably contributed to many playoff teams and someone you can rely on. Nobody wants to hear that during a draft process but if that is indeed what you get at 19 then you did good.

Springer to me is another guy who can be anything from a 5th to 8th man. He works hard, plays solid defense, can score off the ball but has some limitations IMO that would prevent him from being a go to guy at the next level. I think he could be similar to an Alonxo Trier with defense, which indeed is a good player. Maybe good enough to have the same impact as Alonzo felt like he had, except on a team with winning expectations which is saying allot.

But again, Idk if you trade up for that. Actually yes you do if it's pick 32. I'll say I'd do any of the trade up scenarios if it's simply the 32nd pick being added.

Understand being conservative. I have been following drafts for almost 10 years now myself so I understand tempering expectations. I think you are putting fair expectations on them as well.

I personally like Butler the most, assuming he gets medically cleared. I think your expectations are more likely his floor imo. I see him making all star teams potentially and have him 4th on my board. I think he brings everything you would want, is a proven winner, leader, can score at different levels, shifty as an athlete and smart with his movements, good facilitator although I think he leans slightly towards score first point guard, can defend well. I think he makes any team he is on better.

I'm not going to go as in depth for the others but Kispert I see as a guy who can avg close to 20 a game, great shooter, underrated as a guy who can be a secondary ball handler, underrated athlete, good size. Springer is a guy whom I see physically improving his body and athleticism. Great defender, very good shooter, I think he looks different in a couple of years. He could wind up the best of them.

[Nazrmohamed]

I actually love Butler...at 19. I hope I don't come across as down on him. Especially if we're talking Knicks. I think hes a plug and play player. Both of my guys are plug and play players. Potential isn't really as important to me TBH. I'll take it if you got it, but it's not a condition if you getting the job. Are you good and can you produce or can you not produce. I'm looking for rookies with the impact of Quickley moreso than the potential of Knox or Ntilikina. So with that said that's why I'd prefer to stay put and pick up Duarte and Butler, Ayo...guys like that.

If you're not gonna fully take my advice then meet me halfway. Grab at least one upperclassmen like Duarte and then if you wanna bet on potential with Cooper, Zaire, and so forth go knock yourselves out.