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Where do you rank them and why? All of them are 40+% 3pt shooters on good volume, upperclassmen and listed as 6'6 or taller.

Note: this is about ranking them as prospects, not as shooters.

1. Kispert: I think he is the best off ball mover and shooter and has the quickest release. I think out of this group he has the best chance of being that next Joe Harris/JJ/Korver

2. Wieskamp: I think he’s just a slightly lesser version of Kispert. I just think Kispert moves better off the ball and has the quicker release.

3. Murphy: love the combination of size and shooting ability. I’m just not really sure what he’s going to bring to the table beyond his shooting.

4. Duarte: I’m pretty low on Duarte. I know he shot well from 3 and I know he is a good defender. Just when I watch him, I see at most a rotation bench guard. But I know I’m lower on him than most. He’s just one guy I just don’t really see it with.

off topic: between you two and Clyde feels like the Warriors board might be lit.

This really isnt a fair comparison. Kispert is miles better than the other 3 as prospects. Better shot that he can get off with less time. He is as athletic or more than the other 3, knows how to play within a winning system.

Some numbers for those who are interested (per 100 possessions).

Kispert
31.3 PTS (67.4% TS) | 8.4 REB | 3.1 AST | 1.5 STL | 0.7 BLK | 2.2 TOV
.524 3PAr | .248 FTr | 22.7 USG% | 62.8 2P% / 44.0 3P% / 87.8 FT% || 5.29 SOS

Duarte
30.5 PTS (65.7% TS) | 8.2 REB | 4.7 AST | 3.4 STL | 1.4 BLK | 4.0 TOV
.478 3PAr | .262 FTr | 23.9 USG% | 63.1 2P% / 42.4 3P% / 81.0 FT% || 9.65 SOS

Murphy
25.1 PTS (67.0% TS) | 7.6 REB | 2.7 AST | 1.8 STL | 1.0 BLK | 1.7 TOV
.628 3PAr | .215 FTr | 18.4 USG% | 62.0 2P% / 43.3 3P% / 92.7 FT% || 7.59 SOS

Wieskamp
28.6 PTS (61.6% TS) | 12.8 REB | 3.3 AST | 1.8 STL | 0.6 BLK | 2.7 TOV
.482 3PAr | .293 FTr | 22.4 USG% | 51.8 2P% / 46.2 3P% / 67.7 FT% || 10.43 SOS

i have Kispert rated highest because he has probably the best shot versatility overall but tempted to move Wies up to #1, has a + NBA physical profile and think there is still some untapped potential there offensively. also the best rebounder/defender so he has some ancillary skills to fall back on as well when the shot ain't working.

curious why didn't include Edwards, Wiggins and Henry in this comp

Which ones can shoot off the dribble?

clyde21 wrote:curious why didn't include Edwards, Wiggins and Henry in this comp

Well, I don't think of them as elite shooters. All of those guys have in common that they are elite shooters, have elite overall efficiency and play primarily off the ball or project as off-ball players in the NBA. So I struggle a bit to rank them.

Aaron Henry I don't even see as a plus shooter, his volume from behind the arc is quite low and he is really inefficient. Pedestrian free throw shooter as well. He also played more in an on-ball role. Wiggins is also an average shooter at best as far as I can see, or at the very least not someone I would consider at a comparable level. Edwards I like and his numbers look solid but he also doesn't project as an elite shooter from what I've seen of him. He's also a PF to me, and not a wing.

Catchall wrote:Which ones can shoot off the dribble?

I don't have the numbers but I guess Duarte creates and shoots the most off the dribble. None of them should create a lot off the dribble in the NBA, though.

Wieskamp’s free throw % is a bit odd

Kispert always looks like he just ate some bowling balls so I am going with Wieskamp on this one long term

The-Power wrote:Some numbers for those who are interested (per 100 possessions).

Kispert
31.3 PTS (67.4% TS) | 8.4 REB | 3.1 AST | 1.5 STL | 0.7 BLK | 2.2 TOV
.524 3PAr | .248 FTr | 22.7 USG% | 62.8 2P% / 44.0 3P% / 87.8 FT% || 5.29 SOS

Duarte
30.5 PTS (65.7% TS) | 8.2 REB | 4.7 AST | 3.4 STL | 1.4 BLK | 4.0 TOV
.478 3PAr | .262 FTr | 23.9 USG% | 63.1 2P% / 42.4 3P% / 81.0 FT% || 9.65 SOS

Murphy
25.1 PTS (67.0% TS) | 7.6 REB | 2.7 AST | 1.8 STL | 1.0 BLK | 1.7 TOV
.628 3PAr | .215 FTr | 18.4 USG% | 62.0 2P% / 43.3 3P% / 92.7 FT% || 7.59 SOS

Wieskamp
28.6 PTS (61.6% TS) | 12.8 REB | 3.3 AST | 1.8 STL | 0.6 BLK | 2.7 TOV
.482 3PAr | .293 FTr | 22.4 USG% | 51.8 2P% / 46.2 3P% / 67.7 FT% || 10.43 SOS

Kispert has the best shot versatility. Wieskamp is interesting but how do you reconcile his ft%? Weren’t you down on Davion because of his ft%? Murphy I think will probably put up worse stats than these guys but if he can actually be a stretch 4, I think that provides more value than just wing shooting on offense even though he may put up lesser numbers. Duarte should find a role some where.

I’d put Murphy at 1 just because he has the best physical measurements and he’s recently gone through a growth spurt. If he can put on some muscle and become more physical he’ll be able to play a position of greater need and rarity. Then Kispert, Duarte and Wieskamp.

Martinez wrote:Wieskamp’s free throw % is a bit odd

Onus wrote:Wieskamp is interesting but how do you reconcile his ft%? Weren’t you down on Davion because of his ft%?

Wieskamp's FT% is indeed a bit odd but be aware that he shot 86% (95–111) from the line last year, and 77% in his Freshman season. So this year just seems to be an outlier even though last year might have been as well – he still is a close-to-80% FT shooter all things considered. No idea why he is so up and down, though.

As for Mitchell, besides being a much better FT shooter (Mitchell is a 66% shooter from the line in college, Wieskamp 77%!), Mitchell has no history of being a good 3pt shooter (just slightly above 30% in his first two seasons), whereas Wieskamp does have this history (above 40% on solid volume in his freshman season). Wieskamp also takes a variety of 3's, including off-screen, which indicates high-level shooting ability.

Wieskamp to me shows the most offensive potential, but he's physically not at the races to defend, take contact or playmake out of the paint. He's contact-shy in college and that's only going to get worse for him in the NBA.

kispert is clearly the best shooter, but i'm not convinced murphy doesn't have the best combination of shooting, length and athleticism and therefore perhaps the brightest future in the league on both ends of the floor.

Trey Murphy III gonna be the guy that falls that makes no sense. Absolute elite shooter with size/athleticism/length to play multi positional defense. Ridiculously valuable in todays league but so many mocks have him falling to the 2nd round and i still dont understand why.

What is everyone's thoughts on Isaiah Livers? He's an older prospect as well but a knockdown shooter and has some skills outside of shooting as well. He and Trey Murphy are two guys I hope the Kings can pick up.

The-Power wrote:Some numbers for those who are interested (per 100 possessions).

Kispert
31.3 PTS (67.4% TS) | 8.4 REB | 3.1 AST | 1.5 STL | 0.7 BLK | 2.2 TOV
.524 3PAr | .248 FTr | 22.7 USG% | 62.8 2P% / 44.0 3P% / 87.8 FT% || 5.29 SOS

Duarte
30.5 PTS (65.7% TS) | 8.2 REB | 4.7 AST | 3.4 STL | 1.4 BLK | 4.0 TOV
.478 3PAr | .262 FTr | 23.9 USG% | 63.1 2P% / 42.4 3P% / 81.0 FT% || 9.65 SOS

Murphy
25.1 PTS (67.0% TS) | 7.6 REB | 2.7 AST | 1.8 STL | 1.0 BLK | 1.7 TOV
.628 3PAr | .215 FTr | 18.4 USG% | 62.0 2P% / 43.3 3P% / 92.7 FT% || 7.59 SOS

Wieskamp
28.6 PTS (61.6% TS) | 12.8 REB | 3.3 AST | 1.8 STL | 0.6 BLK | 2.7 TOV
.482 3PAr | .293 FTr | 22.4 USG% | 51.8 2P% / 46.2 3P% / 67.7 FT% || 10.43 SOS

To add the numbers of some others guys to it that I really like as prospects:

Wagner
23.2 PTS (58.7% TS) | 12.2 REB | 5.6 AST | 2.3 STL | 1.9 BLK | 2.4 TOV
.392 3PAr | .304 FTr | 19.7 USG% | 56.3 2P% / 34.3 3P% / 83.5 FT% || 11.25 SOS

Edwards
28.1 PTS (60.6% TS) | 11.1 REB | 2.0 AST | 1.6 STL | 2.0 BLK | 3.0 TOV
.356 3PAr | .314 FTr | 23.6 USG% | 55.3 2P% / 37.8 3P% / 87.6 FT% || 5.01 SOS

Moody
26.5 PTS (56.8% TS) | 9.1 REB | 2.5 AST | 1.6 STL | 1.0 BLK | 2.6 TOV
.420 3PAr | .482 FTr | 22.3 USG% | 47.8 2P% / 35.8 3P% / 81.2 FT% || 7.18 SOS

I'm putting Weiskamp last in this group because of freethrow percentage.

1. Kispert
2. Murphy/Duarte (I don't see much if any separation here, it depends on what your team needs, a 2/3 or a 3/4)
4. Weiskamp (but, to be clear, I like him)