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I've been reading all the hype about these players in this draft. I can say is that it reminds me of the 2015 draft where there were a large number of players who were hyped up prior to the draft and then those players failed, miserably. Look at the order:

1. KAT
2. D. Russell
3. Jahlil Okafor (Flop)
4. Porzingis
5. Hezonja (Flop)
6. Willie Cauley-Stein (Flop)
7. Emmanuel Mudiay (Flop)
8. Stanley Johnson (Flop)
9. Frank Kaminsky (Flop)
10. Justice Winslow (Flop)
11. Myles Turner

Seven out of the top 11 failures. Just think Booker was taken 13th! Who do you think will be the draft flops of 2021?

Draft prospects are always overrated because people only look at their potential when 90% of them will never reach it.

Of the top prospects I think Cade, Barnes, Kuminga, and Giddey will disappoint.

Only 20 or so guys from any class have meaningful careers. Only 10 or so are impactful a decade later. From this perspective most guys "flop".

2018 class was super hyped and has delivered so far

People who are expecting Cade to be Luka are going to be sorely disappointed. The hype on the others is mostly warranted, Kuminga excepted.

If i were only going by this section, I'd have very high expectations of Jalen Green and Scottie Barnes. Everyone else seems to have real naysayers nitpicking their flaws.

monalotry wrote:If i were only going by this section, I'd have very high expectations of Jalen Green and Scottie Barnes. Everyone else seems to have real naysayers nitpicking their flaws.

I don’t think Mobley & Suggs really have any naysayers either. Cade is going to be solid also, the issue with him is that people are making him out to be this otherworldly elite prospect.

Big J wrote:

monalotry wrote:If i were only going by this section, I'd have very high expectations of Jalen Green and Scottie Barnes. Everyone else seems to have real naysayers nitpicking their flaws.

I don’t think Mobley & Suggs really have any naysayers either. Cade is going to be solid also, the issue with him is that people are making him out to be this otherworldly elite prospect.

who?

i haven't seen anyone put Cade on the same level as Zion or AD as a prospect. i think ur exaggerating this.

Big J wrote:
I don’t think Mobley & Suggs really have any naysayers either. Cade is going to be solid also, the issue with him is that people are making him out to be this otherworldly elite prospect.

Really? All I see is posters on this board calling him overrated and nitpicking his game. I don't think many, on this forum mainly, are particularly high on Cade which is odd because the majority of the scouting community loves him not as an otherworldly prospect but as the #1 prospect in this draft. I don't think anybody is comparing him to past elite #1 picks.

eh so many factors to failing go beyond the prospect themself...
I mean Kawhi not in SA might be out of the league already...esp if ORL or LAC drafted him lol
there are so many outside factors that are distractions that is why work ethic and humble pie is a big deal

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:

monalotry wrote:If i were only going by this section, I'd have very high expectations of Jalen Green and Scottie Barnes. Everyone else seems to have real naysayers nitpicking their flaws.

I don’t think Mobley & Suggs really have any naysayers either. Cade is going to be solid also, the issue with him is that people are making him out to be this otherworldly elite prospect.

who?

i haven't seen anyone put Cade on the same level as Zion or AD as a prospect. i think ur exaggerating this.

Well for one, all of these damn Pistons fans who keep arguing with me here. They haven’t even picked the guy and they are already comparing him to Luka. I’ve seen the Luka comp more than once. Cade couldn’t sniff Luka’s jock strap.

Arguing? In here? Oh the horror! I forgot we’re all supposed to just nod and agree.

And I’ve never once compared Cade in any way favorably to Luka, fwiw.

Big J wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:
I don’t think Mobley & Suggs really have any naysayers either. Cade is going to be solid also, the issue with him is that people are making him out to be this otherworldly elite prospect.

who?

i haven't seen anyone put Cade on the same level as Zion or AD as a prospect. i think ur exaggerating this.

Well for one, all of these damn Pistons fans who keep arguing with me here. They haven’t even picked the guy and they are already comparing him to Luka. I’ve seen the Luka comp more than once. Cade couldn’t sniff Luka’s jock strap.

Big J wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:
I don’t think Mobley & Suggs really have any naysayers either. Cade is going to be solid also, the issue with him is that people are making him out to be this otherworldly elite prospect.

who?

i haven't seen anyone put Cade on the same level as Zion or AD as a prospect. i think ur exaggerating this.

Well for one, all of these damn Pistons fans who keep arguing with me here. They haven’t even picked the guy and they are already comparing him to Luka. I’ve seen the Luka comp more than once. Cade couldn’t sniff Luka’s jock strap.

i haven't seen anyone say hes the next Luka and I spend more time on this board that u do.

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:

clyde21 wrote:
who?

i haven't seen anyone put Cade on the same level as Zion or AD as a prospect. i think ur exaggerating this.

Well for one, all of these damn Pistons fans who keep arguing with me here. They haven’t even picked the guy and they are already comparing him to Luka. I’ve seen the Luka comp more than once. Cade couldn’t sniff Luka’s jock strap.

i haven't seen anyone say hes the next Luka and I spend more time on this board that u do.

Every single time I point out Cade's lack of athleticism they point to Luka or Tatum. Placing those kind of expectations are simply not realistic for Cade. He might have a high floor, but he also has a very low ceiling.

Big J wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:
Well for one, all of these damn Pistons fans who keep arguing with me here. They haven’t even picked the guy and they are already comparing him to Luka. I’ve seen the Luka comp more than once. Cade couldn’t sniff Luka’s jock strap.

i haven't seen anyone say hes the next Luka and I spend more time on this board that u do.

Every single time I point out Cade's lack of athleticism they point to Luka or Tatum. Placing those kind of expectations are simply not realistic for Cade. He might have a high floor, but he also has a very low ceiling.

they don't put to Tatum/Luka because they think Cade is the next Tatum/Luka, they point to them as elite players who have succeeded without having top or outlier athleticism because they are skilled based players.

Big J wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:
Well for one, all of these damn Pistons fans who keep arguing with me here. They haven’t even picked the guy and they are already comparing him to Luka. I’ve seen the Luka comp more than once. Cade couldn’t sniff Luka’s jock strap.

i haven't seen anyone say hes the next Luka and I spend more time on this board that u do.

Every single time I point out Cade's lack of athleticism they point to Luka or Tatum. Placing those kind of expectations are simply not realistic for Cade. He might have a high floor, but he also has a very low ceiling.

Citing successful players as examples of those who have done well with similar traits isn't a direct comp. That would be like calling Jalen Green Kobe Bryant or Scottie Barnes Scottie Pippen.

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:

clyde21 wrote:
i haven't seen anyone say hes the next Luka and I spend more time on this board that u do.

Every single time I point out Cade's lack of athleticism they point to Luka or Tatum. Placing those kind of expectations are simply not realistic for Cade. He might have a high floor, but he also has a very low ceiling.

they don't put to Tatum/Luka because they think Cade is the next Tatum/Luka, they point to them as elite players who have succeeded without having top or outlier athleticism because they are skilled based players.

Tatum & Luka are outliers though. What elite skill does Cade have besides shooting? I'm not seeing any.

Big J wrote:

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:
Every single time I point out Cade's lack of athleticism they point to Luka or Tatum. Placing those kind of expectations are simply not realistic for Cade. He might have a high floor, but he also has a very low ceiling.

they don't put to Tatum/Luka because they think Cade is the next Tatum/Luka, they point to them as elite players who have succeeded without having top or outlier athleticism because they are skilled based players.

Tatum & Luka are outliers though. What elite skill does Cade have besides shooting? I'm not seeing any.

they are not outliers at all...a lot of the top players in the league are not top tier athletes...Tatum, Luka, Steph, Harden, Leonard, Dame, Cp3, Booker, Butler...etc etc...in fact actual bball skill and bbiq is way more of a predictor of success than top tier athleticism...once you reach that NBA level threshold of athleticism, it starts becoming much more about everything else than straight line speed or vertical pop.

and it's pretty obvious, Cade's a sophisticated 3-level scorer who shoots 85% from the line, can slide and switch defensively with no issue, has the size to take the POA on defense against opposing 1s/2s, has high overall BBIQ and whether you think he can be a primary playmaker or not, it's pretty obvious he has + passing chops for his height in the NBA.

if u think he's just being look at @ #1 because he's a good shooter you should put on the tape again.

clyde21 wrote:

Big J wrote:

clyde21 wrote:
they don't put to Tatum/Luka because they think Cade is the next Tatum/Luka, they point to them as elite players who have succeeded without having top or outlier athleticism because they are skilled based players.

Tatum & Luka are outliers though. What elite skill does Cade have besides shooting? I'm not seeing any.

they are not outliers at all...a lot of the top players in the league are not top tier athletes...Tatum, Luka, Steph, Harden, Leonard, Dame, Cp3, Booker, Butler...etc etc...in fact actual bball skill and bbiq is way more of a predictor of success than top tier athleticism...once you reach that NBA level threshold of athleticism, it starts becoming much more about everything else than straight line speed or vertical pop.

and it's pretty obvious, Cade's a sophisticated 3-level scorer who shoots 85% from the line, can slide and switch defensively with no issue, has the size to take the POA on defense against opposing 1s/2s, has high overall BBIQ and whether you think he can be a primary playmaker or not, it's pretty obvious he has + passing chops for his height in the NBA.

if u think he's just being look at @ #1 because he's a good shooter you should put on the tape again.

1. He's not a sophisticated 3 level scorer. His 2pt% was subpar due to his lack of athleticism/poor footwork/BBIQ. He relied on bullying smaller guys & step back 3's in college.

2. He had a negative assist to turnover ratio. While he is a willing passer, he doesn't have next level vision. He got a lot of assists due to having a high usage percentage.

3. He'll be fine on defense, nothing special unless he really dedicates himself to it on that end.

So that makes him a subpar athlete 3 & D wing guy with a bit of ball handing & passing ability. He's exactly who you would want on your team as a glue guy. I just don't see him being a number one on a contender. Which is what you should be getting with the number 1 pick.