Barnes vs Kuminga

[basketballRob]

Who should go 5?

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[Stillwater]

Barnes is ranked higher right now after an impressive combine that all other top 6 prospects sat out

[BleedGreen1989]

I’m still going JK.

I don’t see Barnes putting much together offensively at the next level and feel he’s rising too much.

[clyde21]

depends on what you're looking for and your risk tolerance, a true wing type or a point-forward. Barnes has a clearer path to success in the NBA with a defined role already that teams covet, but potential two-way 6-8 wings who can score on 3 levels don't grow on trees, even if Kuminga production is theoretical right now.

if I am the Magic i take neither at 5 (i'd take Moody or Suggs if he drops)...but if it's between these two, i think u just gotta hit on some players and take Barnes, he'll be a leader on that team day one and give a lot of positional versatility, will be a good fit next to Cole/RJ too.

[treefi]

This is a tough one but Kuminga is a year younger than Barnes so that's probably the deciding factor for me.

[treefi]

I feel like Kuminga is getting a little underrated because of his low shooting percentages in only 13 NBDL games. People forget that after the first few games, Kuminga had played better than Green despite being a year younger. Then his shot went cold. 13 games. That's nothing.

For example in the first 3 games, Kuminga shot 45.6% overall putting up 22.0ppg, 7.0rpg, 3.0apg, 1.0spg, 1.0bpg... 13 games is only a little more meaningful than 3 games.

[basketballRob]

I feel like Kuminga is getting a little underrated because of his low shooting percentages in only 13 NBDL games. People forget that after the first few games, Kuminga had played better than Green despite being a year younger. Then his shot went cold. 13 games. That's nothing.

For example in the first 3 games, Kuminga shot 45.6% overall putting up 22.0ppg, 7.0rpg, 3.0apg, 1.0spg, 1.0bpg... 13 games is only a little more meaningful than 3 games.

Kuminga is also 8 months younger than Green, and that makes a difference at that age. He was basically a senior in high school playing in the G league.

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[treefi]

I feel like Kuminga is getting a little underrated because of his low shooting percentages in only 13 NBDL games. People forget that after the first few games, Kuminga had played better than Green despite being a year younger. Then his shot went cold. 13 games. That's nothing.

For example in the first 3 games, Kuminga shot 45.6% overall putting up 22.0ppg, 7.0rpg, 3.0apg, 1.0spg, 1.0bpg... 13 games is only a little more meaningful than 3 games.

Kuminga is also 8 months younger than Green, and that makes a difference at that age. He was basically a senior in high school playing in the G league.

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Exactly.

That said, Green is still #2 on my board. But yeah Kuminga is still ahead of Barnes at #5.

[Big J]

Kuminga didn't show me that he could do anything at an above average level. At least Barnes can always fall back on his defense and passing if his shooting doesn't come along.

[azcatz11]

Kuminga didn't show me that he could do anything at an above average level. At least Barnes can always fall back on his defense and passing if his shooting doesn't come along.

So would you not draft him in the first round?

[Big J]

Kuminga didn't show me that he could do anything at an above average level. At least Barnes can always fall back on his defense and passing if his shooting doesn't come along.

So would you not draft him in the first round?

No, his bust likelihood is too high. The only way I'm doing it is if I'm OKC because their timeline is 5 years down the road and they have picks to burn.

[azcatz11]

Kuminga didn't show me that he could do anything at an above average level. At least Barnes can always fall back on his defense and passing if his shooting doesn't come along.

So would you not draft him in the first round?

No, his bust likelihood is too high. The only way I'm doing it is if I'm OKC because their timeline is 5 years down the road and they have picks to burn.

Bro get out of here lol.

[Big J]

So would you not draft him in the first round?

No, his bust likelihood is too high. The only way I'm doing it is if I'm OKC because their timeline is 5 years down the road and they have picks to burn.

Bro get out of here lol.

Lots of projected top 5 guys end up as busts. It sounds crazy, but if any of these draft gurus actually had balls they wouldn't just copy a consensus board and shift guys up or down 1 or 2 spots.

[BostonCouchGM]

it's neck and neck but Barnes edges him out. At least initially, Barnes will see heavier minutes and contribute to winning basketball. If he went to a playoff team he could help push them over the top. If he develops a 3 pt shot I see him settling in as a cross between OG and Simmons. Kuminga has immense talent, probably a higher ceiling than Barnes but I'm way less sure of him hitting it or even approaching it. A lot will depend on the things we can't know about i.e. work ethic, maturity, ambition. Also, I'm almost positive Kuminga will end up with a poorly run franchise so he'll need incredible inner desire in order to overcome that.

[Roger Murdock]

For most teams I'd take Scottie Barnes at #5 because he'll have a more defined role, can contribute immediately, and will pan out.

The Magic I think are in a unique position. They are fresh into their rebuild. Theres no expectation for them to win in the next 2-3 years. I think Kuminga makes a lot of sense here. Hes got huge long term upside and nobody else on their roster offers what he can. They can play him off the bench in low pressure situations and develop him organically without pissing off the fans who want to make the playoffs immediately.

Also in the event the Thunder pass on Barnes, which I think is actually pretty likely cause they apparently love Bouknight, I could see him being there at 8.

[treefi]

Kuminga didn't show me that he could do anything at an above average level. At least Barnes can always fall back on his defense and passing if his shooting doesn't come along.

So would you not draft him in the first round?

No, his bust likelihood is too high. The only way I'm doing it is if I'm OKC because their timeline is 5 years down the road and they have picks to burn.

Not taking Kuminga in the first round is a pretty dumb take. I guess he shouldn't have reclassified to the 2020 class and just waited to play one season of college basketball at Duke this fall where he'd likely dominate as a freshman... otherwise people like you are convinced "his bust likelihood is too high" after 13 games as the youngest player in the NBDL.

[Big J]

So would you not draft him in the first round?

No, his bust likelihood is too high. The only way I'm doing it is if I'm OKC because their timeline is 5 years down the road and they have picks to burn.

Not taking Kuminga in the first round is a pretty dumb take. I guess he shouldn't have reclassified to the 2020 class and just waited to play one season of college basketball at Duke this fall where he'd likely dominate as a freshman... otherwise people like you are convinced "his bust likelihood is too high" after 13 games as the youngest player in the NBDL.

Dominating at Duke is meaningless. Bagley dominated at Duke and he’s trash.

[Brick Layer]

For most teams I'd take Scottie Barnes at #5 because he'll have a more defined role, can contribute immediately, and will pan out.

The Magic I think are in a unique position. They are fresh into their rebuild. Theres no expectation for them to win in the next 2-3 years. I think Kuminga makes a lot of sense here. Hes got huge long term upside and nobody else on their roster offers what he can. They can play him off the bench in low pressure situations and develop him organically without pissing off the fans who want to make the playoffs immediately.

Also in the event the Thunder pass on Barnes, which I think is actually pretty likely cause they apparently love Bouknight, I could see him being there at 8.

I think Barnes will be off the board when OKC's on the clock at 6. But do you really believe GSW would actually pass on Barnes at 7?

[treefi]

No, his bust likelihood is too high. The only way I'm doing it is if I'm OKC because their timeline is 5 years down the road and they have picks to burn.

Not taking Kuminga in the first round is a pretty dumb take. I guess he shouldn't have reclassified to the 2020 class and just waited to play one season of college basketball at Duke this fall where he'd likely dominate as a freshman... otherwise people like you are convinced "his bust likelihood is too high" after 13 games as the youngest player in the NBDL.

Dominating at Duke is meaningless. Bagley dominated at Duke and he’s trash.

Name 30 prospects you'd take ahead of Kuminga and I'll bump this in a few years.

[DroseReturnChi]

kuminga is a bust.