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Which of these 2nd round picks (projected) do you like the most? 

Post#1 » by azcatz11 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:01 pm

Herb Jones (Alabama)

Jason Preston (Ohio)

B.J. Boston (Kentucky)

Greg Brown (Texas)
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Re: Which of these 2nd round picks (projected) do you like the most? 

Post#2 » by clyde21 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:14 pm

BJ is in my lotto so BJ
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Re: Which of these 2nd round picks (projected) do you like the most? 

Post#3 » by azcatz11 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:23 pm

clyde21 wrote:BJ is in my lotto so BJ


What about the other 3? Maybe I should take out Boston from the OP
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Post#4 » by Stillwater » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:25 pm

Other than Boston because if his "soft" label and struggles in college and maybe Jones because of his age and being a role player I dont see all of these 4 as 2nd rounders .
Brown to me is flying under the radar on mocks even though the development timeline is similar to Jaden McDaniels I have him as a first round lock.
Preston probably goes in the 30's since he needs to get a lot stronger, but the measurements and elite floor general capability might get somebody to take a late 1st flier on him but yeah he is probably my fav 2nd rounder here with Brown not qualifying for it.
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Re: Which of these 2nd round picks (projected) do you like the most? 

Post#5 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:31 pm

I have all 4 of them in the same tier. Kind of depends on need and preference. If you want a safe choice, less risk - and if you want a solid backup PG with upside at being a solid. 5th starter at PG, go with Preston

If you want to swing for the fences and go with an upside pick, 1 that's high risk but high reward, go with Boston or Brown. Maybe a team like Toronto who is good at developing you guys, especially young wings/forwards grabs 1 of them.

If you just want a guy who can come in from day 1 and be ready to play - and specifically a guy who can play really good defense, and can switch on everything (legit potential to guard 1-5)...or if you have a good shooting coach..go with Jones

Currently on my big board I have:
Boston
Jones
Brown
Preston

But again, they're on same tier and pretty close..
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Post#6 » by Marcus » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:54 pm

so much depth in this class. Names like Josh Christopher and Isaiah Todd could possibly slip into second round slots.

to answer OP though. I like Preston
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Post#7 » by Gert42 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:39 pm

I'm a Herb Jones guy. I think he is a guy you take if you have picks 31-37. Think he would maybe have a shot at the first round, but it depends on the team.

I don't hate BJ Boston, but I think he has a long way to go and hopefully is OK from be a Top 10 HS prospect to extended G League time next year.
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Post#8 » by EMG518 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:30 am

Of those 4, I would go with Greg Brown.
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Re: Which of these 2nd round picks (projected) do you like the most? 

Post#9 » by tiderulz » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:11 am

Gert42 wrote:I'm a Herb Jones guy. I think he is a guy you take if you have picks 31-37. Think he would maybe have a shot at the first round, but it depends on the team.

I don't hate BJ Boston, but I think he has a long way to go and hopefully is OK from be a Top 10 HS prospect to extended G League time next year.

Jones is a monster on the defensive end, long and athletic. great passer with good handles. but his offense, especially his outside shot, is not great. he will be a great defensive glue bench guy. which is not bad at all, but that will have to be his role
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Re: Which of these 2nd round picks (projected) do you like the most? 

Post#10 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:52 pm

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Gert42 wrote:I'm a Herb Jones guy. I think he is a guy you take if you have picks 31-37. Think he would maybe have a shot at the first round, but it depends on the team.

I don't hate BJ Boston, but I think he has a long way to go and hopefully is OK from be a Top 10 HS prospect to extended G League time next year.

Jones is a monster on the defensive end, long and athletic. great passer with good handles. but his offense, especially his outside shot, is not great. he will be a great defensive glue bench guy. which is not bad at all, but that will have to be his role

He shot 35% from 3 last yr and over 70% FT. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that he improves the shot at the NBA level, once basketball literally becomes his full-time job, no longer having to balance basketball with academics and he's got an NBA coaching and development staff to help? 36% form 3 is the NBA league average. Even if Herb gets it up to 37 or 38% now he's at least dangerous enough from 3 (combined with all of his other attributes) he could be a starter in this league for awhile..
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Re: Which of these 2nd round picks (projected) do you like the most? 

Post#11 » by SeattleJazzFan » Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:28 pm

gun to my head, i probably take boston just for the swing for the fences potential and you are probably going to miss in the second round regardless. but mostly hate him as a prospect and would be very tempted to take preston. i also like both jones and brown.

how's that for sitting on the fence.
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Post#12 » by tiderulz » Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:30 pm

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Gert42 wrote:I'm a Herb Jones guy. I think he is a guy you take if you have picks 31-37. Think he would maybe have a shot at the first round, but it depends on the team.

I don't hate BJ Boston, but I think he has a long way to go and hopefully is OK from be a Top 10 HS prospect to extended G League time next year.

Jones is a monster on the defensive end, long and athletic. great passer with good handles. but his offense, especially his outside shot, is not great. he will be a great defensive glue bench guy. which is not bad at all, but that will have to be his role

He shot 35% from 3 last yr and over 70% FT. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that he improves the shot at the NBA level, once basketball literally becomes his full-time job, no longer having to balance basketball with academics and he's got an NBA coaching and development staff to help? 36% form 3 is the NBA league average. Even if Herb gets it up to 37 or 38% now he's at least dangerous enough from 3 (combined with all of his other attributes) he could be a starter in this league for awhile..

look, im a fan of his (i watch a lot of Bama sports). his 3 pt shot has improved since he got there (on very low volume, only took 57 shots). but its also the college line, closer in. I watched a lot of his games. He is great around the basket but not a great shooter. can he improve, absolutely, i dont believe anyone cant improve even as they get older (turns 23 in Oct). i just see his strengths as a glue defensive guy who is a good passer. Think Iguadala with less offense. still a good player.
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Post#13 » by The-Power » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:15 pm

Preston all the way. He's my guy in this draft. Not interested at all in Brown.
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Post#14 » by Marcus » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:21 pm

The-Power wrote:Preston all the way. He's my guy in this draft. Not interested at all in Brown.


yeah i remember you being one of the first folks i saw mention Preston. what do you see him translating to in the league?
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Post#15 » by The-Power » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:55 pm

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The-Power wrote:Preston all the way. He's my guy in this draft. Not interested at all in Brown.


yeah i remember you being one of the first folks i saw mention Preston. what do you see him translating to in the league?

I think his strengths should translate pretty easily. First in terms of trajectory and mindset, a key reason why I like him so much is his improvement rate. You cannot improve this much over the past four or five years and then just stop getting better despite working on your game – and you know he must have put in the effort, with no reason to stop now.

Second in terms of profile, I think in a league that is full of athletic bigs and good shooters, he'll be effective in the PnR and as a transition passer. He's also able to make quick decisions without needing to hold onto the ball all the time. I really believe his playmaking is towards or even in the top-tier in this draft. I also expect him to end up being a fairly good shooter albeit not on very high volume. He shoots the ball effortlessly and has demonstrated the ability to shoot it from a couple feet behind the line, too. I think he is an underrated off-ball player as well, so I can also see him playing next to a primary ball handler. His size adds to this versatility – he has had a good combine in terms of measurements.

His questions marks are basically: how much usage can you get out of him, and will he be at least somewhat switchable (i.e. not be consistently targeted by some players in the playoffs)? In terms of usage, he is decently quick but doesn't have a great first step and his handle is functional but not very flexible, so I expect his driving lanes will be shut down frequently and the question then becomes what he can do about it? He has a solid floater and does not avoid contact, but he's also not very strong and this type of game is not what you want from him consistently. He also has a shot but is not much of an off-the-dribble shooter – rather, he prefers either catch-and-shoot opportunities or to pull up from very deep when he is given space. So that might limit how much you can rely on him as an on-ball engine in the NBA, in case he has to pass out of these situations. On defense, as I wrote he has solid size and puts in effort but he's still really thin and I'm not sure how much he can bulk up. He's also not the quickest, at least when compared to the very quick 1s in the league. So he might struggle against both bigger guys as well as quick opponents when guarding on the ball. He'll have to fight hard and make the best use of his quick hands to provide resistance but I doubt he'll ever be more than mediocre at best on that end.

So what are we looking at here? I believe there is a path for him to be a starter on a good team next to a primary offensive option and some other players who can handle some additional usage – which is, fortunately, the case on most good teams. If that does not come to fruition, I see him as a good Guard off the bench who organizes and runs a second unit – simultaneously feeding as well as keeping in check all the players on his team who look to score. In both scenarios, I see him as a coaches' darling who just keeps your offense running, and plays efficient basketball at the team level while fitting next to a bunch of different players.
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Re: Which of these 2nd round picks (projected) do you like the most? 

Post#16 » by EvanZ » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:56 pm

azcatz11 wrote:Herb Jones (Alabama)

Jason Preston (Ohio)

B.J. Boston (Kentucky)

Greg Brown (Texas)


I have BJ Boston around early 20s.
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Post#17 » by Marcus » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:58 pm

The-Power wrote:
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The-Power wrote:Preston all the way. He's my guy in this draft. Not interested at all in Brown.


yeah i remember you being one of the first folks i saw mention Preston. what do you see him translating to in the league?

I think his strengths should translate pretty easily. First in terms of trajectory and mindset, a key reason why I like him so much is his improvement rate. You cannot improve this much over the past four or five years and then just stop getting better despite working on your game – and you know he must have put in the effort, with no reason to stop now.

Second in terms of profile, I think in a league that is full of athletic bigs and good shooters, he'll be effective in the PnR and as a transition passer. He's also able to make quick decisions without needing to hold onto the ball all the time. I really believe his playmaking is towards the top-tier in this draft. I also expect him to end up being a fairly good shooter albeit not on very high volume. He shoots the ball effortlessly and has demonstrated the ability to shoot it from a couple feet behind the line, too. I think he is an underrated off-ball player as well, so I can see him playing next to a primary ball handler as well. His size adds to this versatility – he has had a good combine in terms of measurements.

His questions marks are basically: how much usage can you get out of him, and will he be at least somewhat switchable (i.e. not be consistently targeted by some players in the playoffs). In terms of usage, he is decently quick but doesn't have a great first step and his handle is functional but not very flexible, so I expect his driving lanes will be shut down frequently and the question then becomes what he can do about it? He has a solid floater and does not avoid contact, but he's also not very strong and this type of game is not what you want from him consistently. He also has a shot but is not much of an off-the dribble shooter – rather, he prefers either catch-and-shoot opportunities or to pull up from very deep when he is given space. So that might limit how much you can rely on him as an on-ball engine in the NBA. On defense, as I wrote he has solid size and puts in effort but he's still really thin and I'm not sure how much he can bulk up. He's also not the quickest, at least when compared to the very quick 1s in the league. So he might struggle against both bigger guys as well as quick opponents when guarding on the ball. He'll have to fight hard and make the best use of his good hands to provide resistance but I doubt he'll ever be more than mediocre at best on that end.

So what are we looking at here? I believe there is a path for him to be a starter on a good team next to a primary offensive option and some other players who can handle some additional usage – which is, fortunately, the case on most good teams. In such a scenario, I see him as a coaches' darling who just keeps your offense running, and plays efficient basketball at the team level while fitting next to a bunch of different players. If that does not come to fruition, I see him as a good Guard off the bench who organizes and runs a second unit – simultaneously feeding as well as keeping in check all the players on his team who look to score.


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Post#18 » by BostonCouchGM » Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:36 pm

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Post#19 » by TheNewEra » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:55 am

As a clippers fan I’m interested in seeing how Preston and Boston pan out. Seems like Boston is super raw but there is no rush at all. Sign him to a cheap multi year deal. If Preston can break out oh my goodness

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