Re: Amen & Ausar Thompson - Potential 2022 NBA Draft Guys
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:13 pm
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Hal14 wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:So 15year old Cam Boozer played this same team that the Thompsons struggled against 3 months ago. He put up 28 and 20 vs them and dominated them. Now I'm not certain its all the same guys on the team or whatever but its OTE and the same team name.
I get Boozer is a phenom. Thing is the Thompsons are going to be 20 on draft night. If Amen is a 3 pick in this years draft he should be dominating all the same as a 15 year old.
Eh, IDK. Sounds like a reach.
-We're talking about 1 game sample sizes here. The Thompsons vs the Dreamerz and Boozer vs the Dreamerz. It's never a good idea to base too much off 1 game
-Boozer is considered a better prospect than the Thompsons, despite the fact that he's only 15. Apparently, Boozer is THAT good. I've heard that outside of Wemby (and possibly Scoot), Boozer is the best prospect in the world
-I'm assuming Boozer is THE guy on his team. Gets all the touches, all the shot attempts, doesn't to compete for rebounds with teammates, etc. Whereas the points on the City Reapers are distributed between both of the Thompson twins, plus Eli Ellis scores a lot of point for them too. And the twins are guards, so they're not gonna get a ton of rebounds..
Hal14 wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:So 15year old Cam Boozer played this same team that the Thompsons struggled against 3 months ago. He put up 28 and 20 vs them and dominated them. Now I'm not certain its all the same guys on the team or whatever but its OTE and the same team name.
I get Boozer is a phenom. Thing is the Thompsons are going to be 20 on draft night. If Amen is a 3 pick in this years draft he should be dominating all the same as a 15 year old.
Eh, IDK. Sounds like a reach.
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The Moose wrote:Hal14 wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:So 15year old Cam Boozer played this same team that the Thompsons struggled against 3 months ago. He put up 28 and 20 vs them and dominated them. Now I'm not certain its all the same guys on the team or whatever but its OTE and the same team name.
I get Boozer is a phenom. Thing is the Thompsons are going to be 20 on draft night. If Amen is a 3 pick in this years draft he should be dominating all the same as a 15 year old.
Eh, IDK. Sounds like a reach.
-We're talking about 1 game sample sizes here. The Thompsons vs the Dreamerz and Boozer vs the Dreamerz. It's never a good idea to base too much off 1 game
-Boozer is considered a better prospect than the Thompsons, despite the fact that he's only 15. Apparently, Boozer is THAT good. I've heard that outside of Wemby (and possibly Scoot), Boozer is the best prospect in the world
-I'm assuming Boozer is THE guy on his team. Gets all the touches, all the shot attempts, doesn't to compete for rebounds with teammates, etc. Whereas the points on the City Reapers are distributed between both of the Thompson twins, plus Eli Ellis scores a lot of point for them too. And the twins are guards, so they're not gonna get a ton of rebounds..
Its a 3 game sample size against the Dreamerz
Hal14 wrote:The Moose wrote:Hal14 wrote:Eh, IDK. Sounds like a reach.
-We're talking about 1 game sample sizes here. The Thompsons vs the Dreamerz and Boozer vs the Dreamerz. It's never a good idea to base too much off 1 game
-Boozer is considered a better prospect than the Thompsons, despite the fact that he's only 15. Apparently, Boozer is THAT good. I've heard that outside of Wemby (and possibly Scoot), Boozer is the best prospect in the world
-I'm assuming Boozer is THE guy on his team. Gets all the touches, all the shot attempts, doesn't to compete for rebounds with teammates, etc. Whereas the points on the City Reapers are distributed between both of the Thompson twins, plus Eli Ellis scores a lot of point for them too. And the twins are guards, so they're not gonna get a ton of rebounds..
Its a 3 game sample size against the Dreamerz
But only a 1 game sample of Boozer vs the Dreamerz. Don't make a big deal out of a 1 game sample - that's Scouting 101.
The Moose wrote:Hal14 wrote:The Moose wrote:
Its a 3 game sample size against the Dreamerz
But only a 1 game sample of Boozer vs the Dreamerz. Don't make a big deal out of a 1 game sample - that's Scouting 101.
As I said, there are no reference points, it would be great to have a larger sample.
I'm curious how those who are high on the Thompson twins are actually assessing their capabilities from an NBA prospect perspective, given the fact that nobody they are playing against or with is an NBA prospect, and no previous NBA prospects have played in this league.
The Moose wrote:Hal14 wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:So 15year old Cam Boozer played this same team that the Thompsons struggled against 3 months ago. He put up 28 and 20 vs them and dominated them. Now I'm not certain its all the same guys on the team or whatever but its OTE and the same team name.
I get Boozer is a phenom. Thing is the Thompsons are going to be 20 on draft night. If Amen is a 3 pick in this years draft he should be dominating all the same as a 15 year old.
Eh, IDK. Sounds like a reach.
-We're talking about 1 game sample sizes here. The Thompsons vs the Dreamerz and Boozer vs the Dreamerz. It's never a good idea to base too much off 1 game
-Boozer is considered a better prospect than the Thompsons, despite the fact that he's only 15. Apparently, Boozer is THAT good. I've heard that outside of Wemby (and possibly Scoot), Boozer is the best prospect in the world
-I'm assuming Boozer is THE guy on his team. Gets all the touches, all the shot attempts, doesn't to compete for rebounds with teammates, etc. Whereas the points on the City Reapers are distributed between both of the Thompson twins, plus Eli Ellis scores a lot of point for them too. And the twins are guards, so they're not gonna get a ton of rebounds..
Its a 3 game sample size against the Dreamerz
Amen
Game 1: 31 mins 24/6/6 4 turnovers , 9-14 fg, 1-3 3pt, 5-6 ft
Game 2: 36 mins 10/6/4 3 turnovers , 4-11 fg, 0-2 3pt, 2-8 ft
Game 3: 38 mins 12/7/6 4turnovers , 5-14 fg , 0/6 3pt , 2-4 ft
35 mins per game 15.3/6.3/5.3 with 3.6 turnovers and 46/9/50 splits
Ausar
Game 1: 31 mins 27/4/6 4 turnovers , 11-14fg, 2-4 3pt, 3-5ft
Game 2: 32mins 3/6/6 5 turnovers 1-11fg 0-4 3pt 1-3 ft
Game 3: 34 mins 10/8/7 4 turnovers 3-12fg 0-5 3pt 4-6ft
32 mins per game 13.3/6/6.3 with 4.3 turnovers 40/15/57 splits
So they both had 1 good game against this team, and 2 bad games which I would not say is a good sign in this context
For reference 15 yo Cam Boozer had 28/20/5 with 6 turnovers 10-17 fg 3-5 3pt 5-5ft
Also I think Boozer is a decent reference point to use at the moment, considering the twins are being discussed by some as potential top 3-5 picks. Yes, Cam is considered a better prospect than the twins, but from what I can see, nobody else that has either played in, or against this comp has even been discussed as a potential lottery pick let alone top 5.
There is no other frame of reference to assess how top prospects should be doing at this level.
The fact that the only other ‘top 5’ type of prospect to play in this comp dominated it while being 15 years old isn’t a great indicator that its a solid competition.
Hal14 wrote:The Moose wrote:Hal14 wrote:But only a 1 game sample of Boozer vs the Dreamerz. Don't make a big deal out of a 1 game sample - that's Scouting 101.
As I said, there are no reference points, it would be great to have a larger sample.
I'm curious how those who are high on the Thompson twins are actually assessing their capabilities from an NBA prospect perspective, given the fact that nobody they are playing against or with is an NBA prospect, and no previous NBA prospects have played in this league.
That's not true.
These guys are all in the Overtime Elite league and eligible for the 2023 NBA draft:
Jazian Gortman
Bryce Griggs
TJ Clark
Plus, there's a bunch of guys who are draft prospects but won't be eligible to be drafted till 2024 or later but some of them could even be lottery picks:
Somto Cyril
Nathan Missia-Dio
Jahki Howard
Bryson Warren
Matt Bewley
Ryan Bewley
Robert Dillingham
Ivan Almansa
Alex Sarr
And you say no previous NBA prospects have played in this league but that's not true either:
Jean Montero
Dominick Barlow
Kok Yat
Jai Smith
Those 4 went undrafted but they were all eligible for the 2022 draft. They were indeed, draft prospects.
Plus, the twins played in a bunch of games over the summer vs pro teams. And NBA teams are used to evaluating prospects playing vs HS competition (Kobe, Garnett, LeBron, etc.)
Hal14 wrote:Good listen, breaking down the twins by 2 scouts who are far more informed and far less biased than some of the posters on here:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PKGDf4s7whG1fWR0F8LcR?si=l3ZHTiCVQ4i9TzxTxrTqpA&nd=1
CptCrunch wrote:Hal14 wrote:Good listen, breaking down the twins by 2 scouts who are far more informed and far less biased than some of the posters on here:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PKGDf4s7whG1fWR0F8LcR?si=l3ZHTiCVQ4i9TzxTxrTqpA&nd=1
We all love undergrad psychology majors with no background in basketball, with no understanding of analytics. Better off sourcing your analysis from former high school ballers off twitter.
CptCrunch wrote:This is a typical Thompson twins occurance. I've had the same type of interaction on reddit.
First, argue based on 'feels', attack your basketball knowledge when they get shot down because at the end of the day, the pros stop and end at atheleticism. And even worse, the overwhelming amount of pro-twins media content is from micro-creators on Twitter and Youtube and like, typically from those who have no qualifications relating to neither traditional scouting or analytics (not just basketball analytics) of any kind.
clyde21 wrote:there is no way im takin basketball advice from a he/him
CptCrunch wrote:Hal14 wrote:Good listen, breaking down the twins by 2 scouts who are far more informed and far less biased than some of the posters on here:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PKGDf4s7whG1fWR0F8LcR?si=l3ZHTiCVQ4i9TzxTxrTqpA&nd=1
We all love undergrad psychology majors with no background in basketball, with no understanding of analytics. Better off sourcing your analysis from former high school ballers off twitter.
Hal14 wrote:Good listen, breaking down the twins by 2 scouts who are far more informed and far less biased than some of the posters on here:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PKGDf4s7whG1fWR0F8LcR?si=l3ZHTiCVQ4i9TzxTxrTqpA&nd=1
The Moose wrote:Hal14 wrote:Good listen, breaking down the twins by 2 scouts who are far more informed and far less biased than some of the posters on here:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PKGDf4s7whG1fWR0F8LcR?si=l3ZHTiCVQ4i9TzxTxrTqpA&nd=1
just curious what makes Pfieffer more informed or 'less biased'?
He's still just a random dude on draft twitter who does this for free
He's been leading the Amen hype train on draft twitter since last draft cycle and for the last 6 months
He literally has Amen as the 5th best prospect in the world currently, of any age.
If some of us here are "biased" against him, his takes are certainly biased toward him
Hal14 wrote:The Moose wrote:Hal14 wrote:Good listen, breaking down the twins by 2 scouts who are far more informed and far less biased than some of the posters on here:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1PKGDf4s7whG1fWR0F8LcR?si=l3ZHTiCVQ4i9TzxTxrTqpA&nd=1
just curious what makes Pfieffer more informed or 'less biased'?
He's still just a random dude on draft twitter who does this for free
He's been leading the Amen hype train on draft twitter since last draft cycle and for the last 6 months
He literally has Amen as the 5th best prospect in the world currently, of any age.
If some of us here are "biased" against him, his takes are certainly biased toward him
How is he biased? I'm sure lots of people have Amen ranked that high - some might even have him ranked higher.
Also, he tweeted that 3 months ago. So who knows, he might have Amen ranked lower now..
buzzkilloton wrote:Does this guy have any games where hes going to play some non OTE guys? Will they play Boozers high school? I'd like to see Amen play Scoots team or something but I know that wont happen.