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Post#61 » by EvanZ » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:26 am

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They already had the same identical player in Buddy Hield, yet they try against in Mitchell.


They are about as different as two players can be.


Only if you focus on some failed meta objective level drafting based on fit.



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Post#62 » by clyde21 » Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:58 pm

1 Evan Mobley

2 Scottie Barnes
3 Franz Wagner
4 Alperen Sengun

5 Cade Cunningham
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Post#63 » by K_chile22 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:22 am

clyde21 wrote:1 Evan Mobley

2 Scottie Barnes
3 Franz Wagner
4 Alperen Sengun

5 Cade Cunningham
This supposed to be long term or as rookies?
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Post#64 » by clyde21 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:25 am

K_chile22 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:1 Evan Mobley

2 Scottie Barnes
3 Franz Wagner
4 Alperen Sengun

5 Cade Cunningham
This supposed to be long term or as rookies?


rookies of course
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Post#65 » by bkseven » Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:49 am

K_chile22 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:1 Evan Mobley

2 Scottie Barnes
3 Franz Wagner
4 Alperen Sengun

5 Cade Cunningham
This supposed to be long term or as rookies?

It's based on him looking at ESPN stats :lol:
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Post#66 » by clyde21 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:52 am

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Post#67 » by God Squad » Wed Dec 15, 2021 8:31 am

Who is this man? I know this much, he's not "Draymond Green".






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Post#68 » by Marcus » Mon Jan 3, 2022 2:16 am

So this Mobley guy is pretty good or nah?
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Post#69 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Jan 3, 2022 3:13 am

Marcus wrote:So this Mobley guy is pretty good or nah?

So what you’re saying is you think Barnes is trash?

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Post#70 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:33 am



The 51 second mark is all I need to see. Good timing on the help on Vuc, then gets back to his own man just in time to get the steal. Then you get to see the overall freakish athleticism by him. Look at the speed in the open court by him. Lonzo aint slow and he had no chance to keep up with him. On the overhead replay, you can see that him and Lonzo start at the exact same position and Lonzo puts in the effort to run with him. Then realizes he has no chance to keep up with him.

Man remembering some of the Kuminga takes from last year, the potential with this guys is just oozing out of him.
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Post#71 » by clyde21 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:21 pm

remarkable how much of a failure this Davion Mitchell pick is gonna look like a few years from now...if you're gonna draft a 23 yr old rookie in the top 10, the dude better be a beast from the jump...the fact that this dude probably won't even make the rookie team in any capacity makes this pick even more of a failure than some of us thought it would be at the time.

as expected, shooting has not translated, 29% from 3, only thing that has translated is his terrible free throw shooting, 62%, in fact he's even worse from the stripe than he was in college. he hasn't even been that good defensively either.

but hey, its a good thing he's not some raw 18 year old amirite?
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Post#72 » by clyde21 » Yesterday 3:41 am

what are the rookie teams right now?

Team 1
Josh Giddey
Cade Cunningham
Scottie Barnes
Franz Wagner
Evan Mobley

Team 2
Jalen Green
Chris Duarte
Herbert Jones
Jonathan Kuminga
Alperen Sengun
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Post#73 » by yoyoboy » Yesterday 4:14 am

clyde21 wrote:what are the rookie teams right now?

Team 1
Josh Giddey
Cade Cunningham
Scottie Barnes
Franz Wagner
Evan Mobley

Team 2
Jalen Green
Chris Duarte
Herbert Jones
Jonathan Kuminga
Alperen Sengun

Looks good for the most part, but personally I'd hope to see Davion Mitchell make it over Jalen Green. Green has legitimately hurt his team tremendously this year.
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Post#74 » by clyde21 » Yesterday 4:57 am

yoyoboy wrote:
clyde21 wrote:what are the rookie teams right now?

Team 1
Josh Giddey
Cade Cunningham
Scottie Barnes
Franz Wagner
Evan Mobley

Team 2
Jalen Green
Chris Duarte
Herbert Jones
Jonathan Kuminga
Alperen Sengun

Looks good for the most part, but personally I'd hope to see Davion Mitchell make it over Jalen Green. Green has legitimately hurt his team tremendously this year.


Mitchell has been terrible lol
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Post#75 » by yoyoboy » Yesterday 5:02 am

clyde21 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:
clyde21 wrote:what are the rookie teams right now?

Team 1
Josh Giddey
Cade Cunningham
Scottie Barnes
Franz Wagner
Evan Mobley

Team 2
Jalen Green
Chris Duarte
Herbert Jones
Jonathan Kuminga
Alperen Sengun

Looks good for the most part, but personally I'd hope to see Davion Mitchell make it over Jalen Green. Green has legitimately hurt his team tremendously this year.


Mitchell has been terrible lol

He’s at least a positive impact defender and his AST/TO ratio is outstanding. Green has been awful at every facet of the game and most impact metrics paint him as arguably the worst player in the league this season.
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Post#76 » by clyde21 » Yesterday 5:05 am

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yoyoboy wrote:Looks good for the most part, but personally I'd hope to see Davion Mitchell make it over Jalen Green. Green has legitimately hurt his team tremendously this year.


Mitchell has been terrible lol

He’s at least a positive impact defender and his AST/TO ratio is outstanding. Green has been awful at every facet of the game and most impact metrics paint him as arguably the worst player in the league this season.


no he's not, he hasn't been a good defender at all, -6 net rating, -BPM, shooting terribly, and is a 6 foot guard that's barely shooting 60% from the line...just awful.

Green's shooting better across the board, 80+% from the line, averaging more points and rebounds, and is 4 yrs younger, that matters to me when I am putting these teams together
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Post#77 » by clyde21 » Yesterday 5:06 am

Mitchell's been an awful pick, not sure wtf Sac was thinking
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Post#78 » by yoyoboy » Yesterday 5:35 am

clyde21 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:
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Mitchell has been terrible lol

He’s at least a positive impact defender and his AST/TO ratio is outstanding. Green has been awful at every facet of the game and most impact metrics paint him as arguably the worst player in the league this season.


no he's not, he hasn't been a good defender at all, -6 net rating, -BPM, shooting terribly, and is a 6 foot guard that's barely shooting 60% from the line...just awful.

Green's shooting better across the board, 80+% from the line, averaging more points and rebounds, and is 4 yrs younger, that matters to me when I am putting these teams together

The Kings' defense is 8.2 points per 100 possessions better with Mitchell on the floor than without. Compare that to Green's whose team is 4.1 points per 100 better on defense without him. You mention that Mitchell has a negative BPM yet his -3.6 BPM is higher than Green's -4.8 BPM. Mitchell has a 3.3 assist/turnover ratio which, again, is outstanding. Jalen Green literally turns it over more than he assists, with a putrid 0.9 assist/turnover ratio. Think about that, Green turns it over at more than 3.5 times the rate Mitchell does per assist. Mitchell''s TS% is indeed awful, but Green's shooting efficiency advantage doesn't come close to making up that ast/to gap or the defensive gap considering Green still scores at over 3% below league average efficiency. Plus, the fact he's attempting more shots than Mitchell works against Green when he's scoring at 4% lower scoring efficiency compared to the Rockets as a team. Finally, here are a comparison of various impact metrics:

RAPM:
Mitchell: -0.40
Green: -4.69 (dead last in the NBA)

BPM:
Mitchell: -3.6
Green: -4.8

EPM:
Mitchell: -2.0
Green: -5.2

RAPTOR:
Mitchell: -1.6
Green: -8.4

LEBRON:
Mitchell: -1.92
Green: -3.62

Mitchell blows him out of the water across the board. As far as you saying Green is a lot younger, that's irrelevant to awards that are for the 2022 season. Grading guys on an age curve doesn't make sense. We don't do that for any award.
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Re: 2021 Rookie Thread 

Post#79 » by clyde21 » Yesterday 6:06 am

these advanced metrics are completely irrelevant when you're comparing two guys in two completely different roles, Green as a starter taking on multiple roles and Mitchell coming in for 20 mins off the bench against other teams 2nd/3rd units, especially when you're looking at rooks.

and Mitchell being negative in all these metrics, as a 23-year-old rookies that's supposed to be able to contribute at a high level immediately, isn't the making the point you think it is.

if you don't think Green should be on the team, fine, but replacing him with Mitchell? def not it.
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