2022 NBA Draft Part II

[shangrila]

based on what? his 34% from the floor or 26% from 3? if anything the measureables hurt him because he was clearly the biggest guy on the court against sub-par competition and still shot 34% from the field. add in his poor rebounding rate and poor defensive metrics and what exactly are you drafting him for? what role or position will he be playing in the NBA at this point? what's his path to success? what's the archetype projection?

I doubt anyone is treating the 11 games he played at Milwaukee as the definitive answer to who and what he is as a player, particularly as a shooter. Especially when he's been an elite shooter throughout his high school career and in international play. Now obviously he's done with all that top 5/lottery talk that was floating around before the season began but to suggest he's undraftable is stupid.

And for the second part, I already answered that. 6-10 Korver/Reddick/Robinson/shooting specialist. You can argue how much value something like that has in the current switchable NBA, but that's worth a flier in the late 2nd.

unless you're CptCrunch and you love drafting failed RSCI guys, no one is taking this dude. even as a 2nd rounder flyer most likely his group would him to go undrafted so he can pick his own spot if he does stay in the class.

Yeah I just disagree. Someone will take a shot on him, regardless of whether you think they should.

And if he does go undrafted it'll be because of the caveat you've added here; he wants it that way so he can pick where he goes.

Plenty of 5 star highschool kids flop in college and see their draft stock take a drastic hit because of it.

Off the top of my head
Skal Labissiere
Daniel Orton
Cliff Alexander
Harrison Twins
Selby
Giles

I know.

The point I’m making here, and this will be the third and last time I reiterate it, is that his measurements won’t make him undrafted. He’s likely going to go way later if he stays in but SOMEONE will take a swing at him in the late 2nd.

[God Squad]

I doubt anyone is treating the 11 games he played at Milwaukee as the definitive answer to who and what he is as a player, particularly as a shooter. Especially when he's been an elite shooter throughout his high school career and in international play. Now obviously he's done with all that top 5/lottery talk that was floating around before the season began but to suggest he's undraftable is stupid.

And for the second part, I already answered that. 6-10 Korver/Reddick/Robinson/shooting specialist. You can argue how much value something like that has in the current switchable NBA, but that's worth a flier in the late 2nd.


Yeah I just disagree. Someone will take a shot on him, regardless of whether you think they should.

And if he does go undrafted it'll be because of the caveat you've added here; he wants it that way so he can pick where he goes.

Plenty of 5 star highschool kids flop in college and see their draft stock take a drastic hit because of it.

Off the top of my head
Skal Labissiere
Daniel Orton
Cliff Alexander
Harrison Twins
Selby
Giles

I know.

The point I’m making here, and this will be the third and last time I reiterate it, is that his measurements won’t make him undrafted. He’s likely going to go way later if he stays in but SOMEONE will take a swing at him in the late 2nd.

I get the point you're making, I'd also think someone would take a swing. But the shooting splits and combine would suggest he's undraftable. Before the combine I had him as a late first at best with a likely outcome of early/mid second. I'm not sure how people will view him after the combine and the season he had.

[Chi town]

This kid is being overlooked. Kevin Huerter 2.0 in the 2nd round. Wing Shooter Rotation Player. Plays with an edge.

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[SeattleJazzFan]

bc soles of shoes are different...Kessler had the tallest measurement without shoes but Williams had the highest with shoes.

of course. but they play in shoes. if williams soles are higher, then he's taller when they are on the court. that's all that matters.

again, how tall they are when they step out of bed in the morning is irrelevant. i want to know how tall they are when they are playing basketball.

But that measurement is pretty pointless. That is the height they are with the shoes they're wearing at the scouting combine. That height really tells us nothing because it could change game to game if they wear different shoes.

that's a decent point. the average shoe adds 1.5 inches - i'm fine just adding 1.5 inches to every dude's barefoot height and making that their official height. because at the end of the day - my point stands. they don't play barefoot - height in shoes is the relevant number. iow, if you're playing against mark williams, you're not playing against a dude who is standing 7' because the fact is, he is playing in shoes and shoes add height.

[CoreyVillains]

Had the opportunity to spend a couple of days with Jake LaRavia a few weeks back. Super skilled kid. Only 20 years old (not 22 as many initially thought). Loved his work ethic and demeanor. Think he goes first round (especially after pulling out of the scrimmages). My guess is Memphis or San Antonio.

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[SelfishPlayer]

In a draft that lacks great PG talent Wendell Moore and Dalen Terry offer interesting versatility with 7'0" wingspans. They pass like PGs, handle the basketball well enough, and project to being able to defend multiple positions. They can be very valuable for playoff basketball if they pan out.

[BoyzNTheHood]

In a draft that lacks great PG talent Wendell Moore and Dalen Terry offer interesting versatility with 7'0" wingspans. They pass like PGs, handle the basketball well enough, and project to being able to defend multiple positions. They can be very valuable for playoff basketball if they pan out.

Agreed. I think both are fairly "safe" picks.

[baldur]

In a draft that lacks great PG talent Wendell Moore and Dalen Terry offer interesting versatility with 7'0" wingspans. They pass like PGs, handle the basketball well enough, and project to being able to defend multiple positions. They can be very valuable for playoff basketball if they pan out.

None of the top 10 teams need a pg though. Maybe houston.

[SelfishPlayer]

In a draft that lacks great PG talent Wendell Moore and Dalen Terry offer interesting versatility with 7'0" wingspans. They pass like PGs, handle the basketball well enough, and project to being able to defend multiple positions. They can be very valuable for playoff basketball if they pan out.

None of the top 10 teams need a pg though. Maybe houston.

I don't think they will go that high and don't view them as rookie starters. I see them with a long term view. They may have 10+ year careers.

[SelfishPlayer]

In a draft that lacks great PG talent Wendell Moore and Dalen Terry offer interesting versatility with 7'0" wingspans. They pass like PGs, handle the basketball well enough, and project to being able to defend multiple positions. They can be very valuable for playoff basketball if they pan out.

Agreed. I think both are fairly "safe" picks.

I know what you mean. I have found "safe" and "high floor" to be a death sentence for prospects when draft media types use it, but in this case I find it to be appropriate. These two guys attended big time universities and don't have obvious flaws that are overlooked because they compensate by having offsetting strengths. They look like they will fit right in with NBA stars as they develop.

[SelfishPlayer]

Michael Devoe, he is the definition of crafty. He has scored on so many NBA prospects. Look at his highlights against Duke. On one play he calls for a ball screen to get Wendell off of him, he drives and scores on Mark Williams. Those are two guys built to be high level NBA defenders. Michael Devoe absolutely torched Johnny Davis. He plays 6'5" SG in college with a score first mentality, but he may have some PG in him on the next level. He's a below the rim player at that height, but has the ability to make creative finishes around the rim like even smaller guards. I like that he already runs around screens in off ball action to get open for jump shots, and also does the Steph Curry thing where he gives the ball up to quickly reposition to get it back instead of continuing to isolate.

[Catchall]

Kofi Cockburn's 293 pounds at 8% bodyfat is sick lol.

I really wanted to see the top guys measurements. It's always those guys that don't want to get measured, and then also grow 3 inches in their first NBA Season :/

absolutely hate that the top guys don't participate in at least the measureables, should be mandatory.

Very surprised about Duren, Sochan, Dieng and others for whom measurements is a main selling point. I guess they'll get measured during team workouts.

[Catchall]

he's gotta come back, that's his only option imo, get some NIL cash and try to showcase translatable skills at his size, maybe gain some weight and show that you can play some 5, otherwise yea, don't see how he's draftable at this point after his crappy year and maybe even worse athletic testing.

He’s a 2nd rounder at minimum. Someone will take a chance that he’s a 6-10 Korver or Reddick.

But for him he’s definitely better off returning. I get the feeling he’ll stay in though.

based on what? his 34% from the floor or 26% from 3? if anything the measureables hurt him because he was clearly the biggest guy on the court against sub-par competition and still shot 34% from the field. add in his poor rebounding rate and poor defensive metrics and what exactly are you drafting him for? what role or position will he be playing in the NBA at this point? what's his path to success? what's the archetype projection?

unless you're CptCrunch and you love drafting failed RSCI guys, no one is taking this dude. even as a 2nd rounder flyer most likely his group would him to go undrafted so he can pick his own spot if he does stay in the class.

Some team will take him late 1st or early 2nd if they think he'll be a good shooter. His role is basically Cam Johnson if he can shoot it.

[Catchall]

Guys I'd feel confident will be in the top 10 of a re-draft in 2 or 3 years: Smith, Chet, Paolo, Ivey, Daniels, Hardy, Duren, Murray.

Other guys I might bet on having an impact: Sharpe, Dieng, Mathurin, Tari, TyTy, Jovic, Moore, J.Williams, M.Williams, Terry, Ochai, Branham I guess, and probably Kessler and Liddell at some level.

No idea what to do with: Griffin, Davis, Wesley, Sochan.
- I need to know why A.J. Griffin doesn't move well and if that's going to improve somehow.
- I need to know Johnny Davis will shoot at least league average.
- I need to see measurements, athletic testing and workouts with Sochan to believe he can come in and play a Precious Achiuwa role.
- I need to be convinced that E.J. Liddell can be an impact defender at the NBA level and not just bully college kids.

[GSWFan1994]

I confess to not having followed the draft prospects as much as I could have had this season.

Having said that, this draft strikes me as a poor one... I don't see a very strong pool of players, mainly at the top, where the top trio doesn't entice me, all of them have red flags IMO.

Obviously some guys will jump out and have a nice career, be above average starters, rotation pieces, some may even sniff an All-Star spot or two... the feeling that I get for now, though, is that this draft is one of the weakest in many, many years.

I have to do my part and study more about a lot of the prospects... hopefully I can manage to catch up with the lesser half of the 1st round until the draft week.

Always a pleasure reading the posts here.

Cheers.

[clyde21]

final rankings 5/21 - onto 2023

T1:
1 Jabari Smith Jr.

T2:
2 Paolo Banchero
3 Chet Holmgren

T3:
4 Shaedon Sharpe
5 Tari Eason
6 Mark Williams
7 Jaden Ivey
8 Moussa Diabate
9 Dyson Daniels

T4:
10 Johnny Davis
11 Jeremy Sochan
12 Dalen Terry
13 Bennedict Mathurin
14 Malaki Branham
15 Ousmane Dieng
16 Max Christie
17 AJ Griffin
18 Nikola Jovic
19 Keegan Murray
20 Jalen Duren

class gets C/C+ grade overall, PG/ball handlers are just devastatingly bad in this class, not a lot of great shooters, international crop disappointed. strength of class at PF/combo forwards.

[Duke4life831]

Follow up on Clyde's, here is my final Seal big board (only going single names haha). Also just the college guys. I never include the over seas guys and I didnt pay any attention to the G League guys.

1. Chet
2. Paolo
3. Jabari
4. Mark
5. Mathurin
6. Sharpe
7. Ivey
8. Keegan
9. Liddell
10. AJ
11. Brown
12. Johnny
13. Agbaji
14. Eason

I will say, after 7 it felt like I was splitting hairs between guys who I thought will end up being the better role player. I think this draft really lacks star power throughout it, but I feel like most likely you will be getting guys like Liddell, Brown, Moore and so on in the 20s, which you cant really complain about. I think we will have a solid amount of solid rotation players in this draft. So not a super fun draft, but not a bad one either.

[EMG518]

I am going to continue to advocate for this draft. I think in a year people will be wondering what they were thinking when being down on this draft. I think this draft produces far more NBA players than normal and has some real talent with potential for stardom.

[DirtyDez]

Didn’t realize Mathurin was younger than Chet. He could’ve been a Fr last year.

As an AZ fan i’m starting to realize there’s a better chance Terry goes lottery than falls out of the 1st rd. He gone.