Jaylin Williams - Arkansas

clyde21 · Post #1 » by **clyde21** » Tue Apr 5, 2022 6:23 am

deserves his own thread, super intriguing 4, nice vision/passing chops, knows how to set screens, mobile, can hit an open 3, still hasn't turned 20.

firmly a 1st rounder imo in this class.

clyde21 · Post #2 » by **clyde21** » Tue Apr 5, 2022 5:14 pm

kinda reminds me of guys like PJ Washington oe Jeremiah Robinson-Earl a little bit.

BlazersBroncos · Post #3 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Apr 5, 2022 5:37 pm

Was gonna throw out the JRE comp, but I think Jaylin is bouncier.

EvanZ · Post #4 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Apr 5, 2022 6:34 pm

Don't see Jaylin as a 4 at all.

Hal14 · Post #5 » by **Hal14** » Tue Apr 5, 2022 8:59 pm

EvanZ wrote:Don't see Jaylin as a 4 at all.

yeah i see him as more of a 5.

I feel like he's kind of like Sengun, but with better defense and worse post up moves. Or if he REALLY hits (and shot improves), he's the next Al Horford.

EvanZ · Post #6 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Apr 5, 2022 9:15 pm

Whereas Sengun is somewhat of a rim protector in theory, Jaylin Williams doesn't really give you that. He's not an elite athlete by any means. Not crazy long. No question he has great feel. I'm just not sure what else he does at a super high level in the NBA. Not a rim protector. Not a shooter. Not a Harrell-type dirty scorer down low. Not really an energy big. He's a bit like Xavier Tillman I guess. I liked Tillman, but I think he had even better feel than Williams. And he's been ok for Memphis, but he's not a world beater clearly. I get why people like Jaylin so much, because he's a fun college player with high IQ and motor. I just can't get all in on him like some of you though.

clyde21 · Post #7 » by **clyde21** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 3:12 am

he's a 4, guess he can slot as a 5 in some matchups but I think he has enough mobility/skill to scale as a four in the league.

he's already a high level passers/screener for his position and age, FT rate and % is there, can hit an open 3 and seems to have high BBIQ with good defensive instincts, and again hasn't even turned 20 yet.

don't know about full-time starter but I like him as a combo big, again very similar to PJ or even Grant Williams to me.

MemphisX · Post #8 » by **MemphisX** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 11:08 am

Do not see it with him right now. I love him as a college player. Does not have the length or athleticism to survive. Seen this with Xavier Tillman who is productive when he plays but leaves a lot to be desired due to physical shortcomings. Would really need to shoot it like Grant Williams to become rotation level.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #9 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 1:39 pm

dude is a big who averaged 10 pts on 46% FGs and he doesn't protect the rim - do something at the collegiate level before you start thinking about the nba. 53% TS. smh

he can't shoot, he can't score, he can't finish and he can't protect the rim. how many bigs are there in the NBA with that profile?

but i guess he can take a charge or two and rebounds and he looked good crashing wildly into chet hoping the refs would call fouls.

not saying he can't be an nba player but he has an uphill battle with a lot of strikes against him at the outset.

CptCrunch · Post #10 » by **CptCrunch** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 2:07 pm

The broadcast talked about how his father taught him to take charges. The guy practices falling and is a charge specialist.

According to a news article, he takes 1.57 charges a game.

I like the idea of charge taking, but to use it as your defensive tool in a playoff game cannot be reliable.

I have no opinion on this guy, merely just watched his game against Duke. Infuriating on defense in terms of taking charges.

Upperclass · Post #11 » by **Upperclass** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 5:04 pm

he's like a super-sized Grant Williams

clyde21 · Post #12 » by **clyde21** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 5:30 pm

people really underestimate a guy that is good at all the little non-stat sheet stuff.

kobyz · Post #13 » by **kobyz** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 6:42 pm

Reminds me PJ Brown

MemphisX · Post #14 » by **MemphisX** » Thu Apr 7, 2022 12:33 am

clyde21 wrote:people really underestimate a guy that is good at all the little non-stat sheet stuff.

I think the issue is him not being good enough at the big stuff.

clyde21 · Post #15 » by **clyde21** » Thu Apr 7, 2022 12:46 am

MemphisX wrote:
clyde21 wrote:people really underestimate a guy that is good at all the little non-stat sheet stuff.

I think the issue is him not being good enough at the big stuff.

he's a + rebounder and passer for his position as well, so not sure what that means?

MemphisX · Post #16 » by **MemphisX** » Thu Apr 7, 2022 12:57 am

clyde21 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:
clyde21 wrote:people really underestimate a guy that is good at all the little non-stat sheet stuff.

I think the issue is him not being good enough at the big stuff.

he's a + rebounder and passer for his position as well, so not sure what that means?

Provide some type of scoring on offense or rim protect.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #17 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Thu Apr 7, 2022 1:55 am

MemphisX wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:
I think the issue is him not being good enough at the big stuff.

he's a + rebounder and passer for his position as well, so not sure what that means?

Provide some type of scoring on offense or rim protect.

Taking charges is protecting the rim.

clyde21 · Post #18 » by **clyde21** » Thu Apr 7, 2022 4:06 am

MemphisX wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:
I think the issue is him not being good enough at the big stuff.

he's a + rebounder and passer for his position as well, so not sure what that means?

Provide some type of scoring on offense or rim protect.

why does he need to protect the rim? you want a rim protector go grab a rim protector. im confused. not everyone on the court has to be able to protect the rim.

he's a utility combo big that can switch and defend in space, set screens, high IQ, + passer for his position, can hit 3s and FTs at a decent clip.

that's a good baseline for almost any prospect really. obviously if he also an elite scorer or rim protector it'd be much better, but then we'd be talking about him as a lotto guy then, right? no one as far as I know thinks he's a lotto guy, so these things are already priced in.

MemphisX · Post #19 » by **MemphisX** » Thu Apr 7, 2022 5:26 am

clyde21 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
he's a + rebounder and passer for his position as well, so not sure what that means?

Provide some type of scoring on offense or rim protect.

why does he need to protect the rim? you want a rim protector go grab a rim protector. im confused. not everyone on the court has to be able to protect the rim.

he's a utility combo big that can switch and defend in space, set screens, high IQ, + passer for his position, can hit 3s and FTs at a decent clip.

that's a good baseline for almost any prospect really. obviously if he also an elite scorer or rim protector it'd be much better, but then we'd be talking about him as a lotto guy then, right? no one as far as I know thinks he's a lotto guy, so these things are already priced in.

To each his own. Like I said, I have seen this story in Tillman. Any team trying to win will not see him as an ideal big in their rotation.

Hal14 · Post #20 » by **Hal14** » Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:43 pm

clyde21 wrote:
MemphisX wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
he's a + rebounder and passer for his position as well, so not sure what that means?

Provide some type of scoring on offense or rim protect.

why does he need to protect the rim? you want a rim protector go grab a rim protector. im confused. not everyone on the court has to be able to protect the rim.

he's a utility combo big that can switch and defend in space, set screens, high IQ, + passer for his position, can hit 3s and FTs at a decent clip.

that's a good baseline for almost any prospect really. obviously if he also an elite scorer or rim protector it'd be much better, but then we'd be talking about him as a lotto guy then, right? no one as far as I know thinks he's a lotto guy, so these things are already priced in.

He projects as a guy who's gonna play mostly the 5, maybe a little bit of 4. Not everyone needs to protect the rim but teams are typically looking for rim protection from that specific type of player.

It's the combination of lack of rim protection, lack of consistent shooting, lack of above average athleticism/speed/explosiveness and lack of above average size/wingspan. You typically need to check at least 1 of those boxes to be a big man going in the 1st round. The youth, passing and taking charges help though - I've currently got him as an early-mid 2nd rounder..