RealGM Consensus Mock - #5

[clyde21]

1 Orlando: Jabari Smith Jr.
2 Oklahoma City: Chet Holmgren
3 Houston: Paolo Banchero
4 Sacramento: Jaden Ivey
5 Detroit:

Who are you taking if you're Detroit?

[The Moose]

Dyson

[elias808]

Murray, easy.

[MotownMadness]

I want to just go the mystery man route with Sharpe but now im questioning if he's going to be anything like i initially thought.

Still voted for him but i see Detroit taking Murray here

[TravisScott55]

Sharpe and Cade would be lethal

[eminence]

I'd say Murray if they're staying put, but I'd be considering risking trading down for Eason too.

[LewisnotMiller]

Daniels if the shooting looks legit.

[BlazersBroncos]

Dyson.

[CptCrunch]

Dyson Daniels should easily be the BPA here.

Keegan Murray turns 22 before next season. I really have no idea why there are even votes him for him.

[babyjax13]

I'm also on the Dyson Daniels train.

[coolness]

AJ Griffin standing with 0 out of 40 votes. He was my #2 barely under Dyson Daniels.

[K_chile22]

I don't really love anyone here, especially for Detroit. Went with Shaedon just for the upside swing but don't feel amazing about it. If I were them I'd try to convince sac to move down a spot

[The-Power]

Crazy how hype in the NBA draft works. Now everyone is talking about Daniels despite not many people talking about him when he actually played basketball games. Not saying anyone is wrong here (at least not those who don't follow the draft professionally and necessarily get their cues in part from the media) or that I'm an exception, but it's still incredible to see every time something like this happens (which is to say, every year).

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Crazy how hype in the NBA draft works. Now everyone is talking about Daniels despite not many people talking about him when he actually played basketball games. Not saying anyone is wrong here (at least not those who don't follow the draft professionally and necessarily get their cues in part from the media) or that I'm an exception, but it's still incredible to see every time something like this happens (which is to say, every year).

Isn't the hype based on recent individual workouts that reportedly went very well? I think teams can be reactive towards good individual workouts because they can get them in there and test for specific things, whereas in games have a lot more context and reasons why a player might or might not show certain skills so its harder to gauge potential development without those individual workouts to lend additional insight.

I'll always remember the story that Durant came in and gave the best damn individual workout that our scouts had ever seen, but we still ended up going with Oden because of what he showed in college games. I'm not saying one or the other is better but both can lend insight and I wouldn't ignore the impact pre-draft workouts can have late in the draft process.

[clyde21]

Crazy how hype in the NBA draft works. Now everyone is talking about Daniels despite not many people talking about him when he actually played basketball games. Not saying anyone is wrong here (at least not those who don't follow the draft professionally and necessarily get their cues in part from the media) or that I'm an exception, but it's still incredible to see every time something like this happens (which is to say, every year).

Isn't the hype based on recent individual workouts that reportedly went very well? I think teams can be reactive towards good individual workouts because they can get them in there and test for specific things, whereas in games have a lot more context and reasons why a player might or might not show certain skills so its harder to gauge potential development without those individual workouts to lend additional insight.

I'll always remember the story that Durant came in and gave the best damn individual workout that our scouts had ever seen, but we still ended up going with Oden because of what he showed in college games. I'm not saying one or the other is better but both can lend insight and I wouldn't ignore the impact pre-draft workouts can have late in the draft process.

Durant was still slated as a top2 guy tho way before his workouts

hype is weird, it's tough to point to it exactly happens...with Dyson I've always had him top 12 range pretty much so I get it now, but sometimes people just want to fill voids at the top of this draft specifically so we're seeing a few guys get ranked high that imo wouldn't be in a better draft.

[babyjax13]

Crazy how hype in the NBA draft works. Now everyone is talking about Daniels despite not many people talking about him when he actually played basketball games. Not saying anyone is wrong here (at least not those who don't follow the draft professionally and necessarily get their cues in part from the media) or that I'm an exception, but it's still incredible to see every time something like this happens (which is to say, every year).

Isn't the hype based on recent individual workouts that reportedly went very well? I think teams can be reactive towards good individual workouts because they can get them in there and test for specific things, whereas in games have a lot more context and reasons why a player might or might not show certain skills so its harder to gauge potential development without those individual workouts to lend additional insight.

I'll always remember the story that Durant came in and gave the best damn individual workout that our scouts had ever seen, but we still ended up going with Oden because of what he showed in college games. I'm not saying one or the other is better but both can lend insight and I wouldn't ignore the impact pre-draft workouts can have late in the draft process.

On the other end of that, David Locke still talks about how the best workout he's ever seen was Damian Lillard.

[The-Power]

Crazy how hype in the NBA draft works. Now everyone is talking about Daniels despite not many people talking about him when he actually played basketball games. Not saying anyone is wrong here (at least not those who don't follow the draft professionally and necessarily get their cues in part from the media) or that I'm an exception, but it's still incredible to see every time something like this happens (which is to say, every year).

Isn't the hype based on recent individual workouts that reportedly went very well? I think teams can be reactive towards good individual workouts because they can get them in there and test for specific things, whereas in games have a lot more context and reasons why a player might or might not show certain skills so its harder to gauge potential development without those individual workouts to lend additional insight.

Yeah, but we're not privy to these workouts. Hype can be created by players having great workouts, media members picking up on that, and regular folks in turn picking up their cues. It's just odd to me that everyone could watch Daniels for months but then private workouts happen with empty-gym highlight tapes being circulated and all of a sudden everyone is hyped by Daniels – even though our own basis for the evaluation has not changed at all.

And again, I'm not blaming the regular folks. We'll always be reliant on bits and pieces from the media and selected footage over which we have no control. So it's perfectly fine that public opinion shifts pretty strongly, but it's still eye-popping to see and essentially demonstrates just how much public perception can be influenced even around the NBA draft, among very interested hobby scouts. In this regard, I'm more critical of professional draft analysts in the media (with much more access than us) which produce or use the hype, because the erratic nature of hype means they either failed to properly evaluate the hyped player before or simply go along with it for the clicks.

Of course that's not true for all players, and some may rightfully rise a lot because they showcase their talents in ways not seen before. But someone like Daniels... he hasn't become a different player over the past couple weeks. Either you liked him before and you should still do, or you had your doubts and you should continue to have them. If he had awesome workouts or measured much better than expected, that can or even should change your ranking a bit of course – but it shouldn't drastically alter it when we already had so many opportunities to see him play and work over the past year.

[edmunder_prc]

Dyson is a nice middle ground of very high upside, great athlete, does a few things very well while not being elite at anything, floor is still reasonable.

I hope the Pistons go Dyson if Ivey goes 4th. Maybe even if Ivey is still there.

Sharpe is a complete mystery box, upside TO THE MOON, downside is a bench guy hopefully.

Keegan is Obi Toppin to me - no go.

What are you left with? Mathurin is a 3 and D guy. Eason? M. Williams?

[The-Power]

Keegan is Obi Toppin to me - no go.

What makes them similar except being on the older side and productive in college? Toppin had a lot of defensive red flags that Keegan does not have which to me is a key difference between them.

[NYPiston]

Crazy how hype in the NBA draft works. Now everyone is talking about Daniels despite not many people talking about him when he actually played basketball games. Not saying anyone is wrong here (at least not those who don't follow the draft professionally and necessarily get their cues in part from the media) or that I'm an exception, but it's still incredible to see every time something like this happens (which is to say, every year).

Happened with Barnes just last year after he had a poor NCAA tournament then the hype went into overdrive (with the Draymond comparisons) when teams saw him workout, interviewed him etc. Funny because there are some parallels between Daniels and Barnes games and athletic profile.

The Pistons will likely take Murray here and I'm not a fan of it but it's what I expect.