Kris Murray

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Just looked and couldn't find a different thread for him already.

Really impressive performance last night vs Michigan.

It might just be because he's a year older than Keegan was last season, but the one area it definitely seems like Kris is better than Keegan is passing/play making. Kris is a really good passer, whereas Keegan was mainly just a scorer last season.

Kris is 22 and will be 23 when his rookie year starts, but he should probably go in the top 20..

[azcatz11]

Just looked and couldn't find a different thread for him already.

Really impressive performance last night vs Michigan.

It might just be because he's a year older than Keegan was last season, but the one area it definitely seems like Kris is better than Keegan is passing/play making. Kris is a really good passer, whereas Keegan was mainly just a scorer last season.

Kris is 22 and will be 23 when his rookie year starts, but he should probably go in the top 20..

Wasn’t he the better brother prior to last year?

[Hal14]

Just looked and couldn't find a different thread for him already.

Really impressive performance last night vs Michigan.

It might just be because he's a year older than Keegan was last season, but the one area it definitely seems like Kris is better than Keegan is passing/play making. Kris is a really good passer, whereas Keegan was mainly just a scorer last season.

Kris is 22 and will be 23 when his rookie year starts, but he should probably go in the top 20..

Wasn’t he the better brother prior to last year?

No. When they were both freshmen, Keegan was much better, got way more minutes. Kris barely played as a freshman.

Although I watched a little bit of film from their last year playing HS ball together and it was tough to tell which was better then..

[EvanZ]

I thought Kris Murray was a first round pick last year. It's wild people don't put two and two together and realize when you have identical twins and one is going to be a top 5 pick the other one is probably pretty good too. But here we are.

Likely the only reason Jordan Davis isn't a first round pick is he busted his knee in high school.

[clyde21]

Keegan shouldn't have been a top 5 pick tho, and not like he's setting the NBA ablaze right now, and hes already 22, by the time a player turns 23 you expect them to be entering their prime

and Kris isn't quite as good and is coming out a year older, too...not saying he's not a first rounder but it's a deep draft and i'd be looking for a bit of a higher ceiling at least the first 14-16 picks, maybe all the way thru 25.

if a GM is looking for a safe and straightforward pick tho in the middle-late first I'm sure he'll be a target, but pretty uninspired pick if he goes top 20.

[EvanZ]

Keegan shouldn't have been a top 5 pick tho, and not like he's setting the NBA ablaze right now,

I mean he's shooting 40%+ on 3s and starting for a playoff team. Can you say that about any other rookie this year?

Dont let perfect be the enemy of good clyde.

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Just like his brother, I think he will be an easy integratabtle starter who can play all over the floor without needing the ball. Not a high ceiling pro but a very solid role player. 15-20 seems fair.

[Chi town]

He’s turned it on last 6-7 games. He’s flashing high volume 3s much like his brother did. If he can do that he’s a very valuable piece. Think he’s a better post player and rebounder than his bro was too.

[JRoy]

Keegan shouldn't have been a top 5 pick tho, and not like he's setting the NBA ablaze right now, and hes already 22, by the time a player turns 23 you expect them to be entering their prime

and Kris isn't quite as good and is coming out a year older, too...not saying he's not a first rounder but it's a deep draft and i'd be looking for a bit of a higher ceiling at least the first 14-16 picks, maybe all the way thru 25.

if a GM is looking for a safe and straightforward pick tho in the middle-late first I'm sure he'll be a target, but pretty uninspired pick if he goes top 20.

I don’t think 23 is anyone’s prime.

27 seems closer.

[clyde21]

Keegan shouldn't have been a top 5 pick tho, and not like he's setting the NBA ablaze right now, and hes already 22, by the time a player turns 23 you expect them to be entering their prime

and Kris isn't quite as good and is coming out a year older, too...not saying he's not a first rounder but it's a deep draft and i'd be looking for a bit of a higher ceiling at least the first 14-16 picks, maybe all the way thru 25.

if a GM is looking for a safe and straightforward pick tho in the middle-late first I'm sure he'll be a target, but pretty uninspired pick if he goes top 20.

I don’t think 23 is anyone’s prime.

27 seems closer.

i didn't say peak, i said entering prime, and yes, 23-24 on a regular developmental line is when players are entering their prime. so both Kris and Keegan right now are entering their primes as players.

[EvanZ]

i didn't say peak, i said entering prime, and yes, 23-24 on a regular developmental line is when players are entering their prime. so both Kris and Keegan right now are entering their primes as players.

Nah, it's really more like 26. That's been shown over and over again with NBA stats. And that's really just entering their prime. You have guys now obviously still on the back end of their prime going into their 30s. 23 is old for a prospect but it doesn't mean he's in his prime any more than Jordan Poole is.

[JRoy]

Keegan shouldn't have been a top 5 pick tho, and not like he's setting the NBA ablaze right now, and hes already 22, by the time a player turns 23 you expect them to be entering their prime

and Kris isn't quite as good and is coming out a year older, too...not saying he's not a first rounder but it's a deep draft and i'd be looking for a bit of a higher ceiling at least the first 14-16 picks, maybe all the way thru 25.

if a GM is looking for a safe and straightforward pick tho in the middle-late first I'm sure he'll be a target, but pretty uninspired pick if he goes top 20.

I don’t think 23 is anyone’s prime.

27 seems closer.

i didn't say peak, i said entering prime, and yes, 23-24 on a regular developmental line is when players are entering their prime. so both Kris and Keegan right now are entering their primes as players.

Too young.

27 is closer.

[clyde21]

lol, 27 is pretty much your peak, 27-29, what are you talking about?

and yes, Jordan Poole now is entering his prime.

[EvanZ]

lol, 27 is pretty much your peak, 27-29, what are you talking about?

and yes, Jordan Poole now is entering his prime.

Lol he’s definitely not man. You need to do some research. I mean for most of NBA history rookies were coming into the league at age 22. Anyway this is silliness. No need to debate something where the facts are obvious.


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[clyde21]

lol, 27 is pretty much your peak, 27-29, what are you talking about?

and yes, Jordan Poole now is entering his prime.

Lol he’s definitely not man. You need to do some research. I mean for most of NBA history rookies were coming into the league at age 22. Anyway this is silliness. No need to debate something where the facts are obvious.


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you're more than welcome to actually prove the facts, vast majority of all-stars are already playing @ all-star level by the time they are 23/24, you can go down the list.

[EvanZ]

you're more than welcome to actually prove the facts, vast majority of all-stars are already playing @ all-star level by the time they are 23/24, you can go down the list.

Let's go down the list of Warriors:

Steph - age 25
Klay - age 24
Draymond - age 25
Wiggins - age 26

Looney isn't an All-Star but he's 26 right now and was playing the best ball of his career at age 25.

I've also done research in the past on aging curves and found there is improvement from 18-25 and then a plateau until about age 30. That was done a decade ago so I would think the plateau is even longer now.



https://thecity2.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/using-the-usage-efficiency-distance-metric-to-create-aging-curves-for-the-nba/

[clyde21]

i'm not asking when they made the all-star game, I'm asking you when they were playing all-star level. Steph was playing all-star level already at 24 and you can even make an argument even 23 if it weren't for the injuries, Klay made the all-star game at 24 but at 23 he was already entering his prime.

i mean, you're literally proving my point. 23-24 yrs already the players should already be entering their prime. that's just a fact. not saying that they should already be all-stars or that's their peak, but at 23-24 you should already start seeing glimpses of the players in his prime pretty consistently.

it's weird that this is even controversial.

[EvanZ]

i'm not asking when they made the all-star game, I'm asking you when they were playing all-star level. Steph was playing all-star level already at 24 and you can even make an argument even 23 if it weren't for the injuries, Klay made the all-star game at 24 but at 23 he was already entering his prime.

i mean, you're literally proving my point. 23-24 yrs already the players should already be entering their prime. that's just a fact. not saying that they should already be all-stars or that's their peak, but at 23-24 you should already start seeing glimpses of the players in his prime pretty consistently.

it's weird that this is even controversial.

I mean...you can look at DARKO aging curves and see the Warriors core is around 24-25 at the minimum.

[clyde21]

so you're argument that its' 24-25 instead of 23-24?

[azcatz11]

Who else loves it when Clyde & EvanZ go at it?