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We are about a month before the conference tournaments start and wanted to get a glimpse of how folks were feeling about their top 20 before tourney hype kicks into the groupthink.

1. Wemby
2. Scoot
3. Cam
4. Jarace
5. Brandon Miller
6. Keyonte
7. Dick
8. Black
9. Jett
10. Brice
11. GG
12. Cason Wallace
13. Nick Smith Jr.
14. Rayan Rupert
15. Whitehead
16. Kris Murray
17. Maxwell Lewis
18. Noah Clowney
19. Amen Thompson
20. Ausar Thompson

1.Vic
2.Scoot
3.Amen
4.Ausar
5.Jarace
6.Miller
7.GG
8.Hendricks
9.Jett
10.Cason
11.Sensabaugh
12.Black
13.Smith Jr.
14.Schifino
15.Clowney
16.Dick
17.Cam
18.Filipowski
19.Cleveland
20.Starling

Why not

1 Victor Wembanyama
2 Scoot Henderson
3 Jarace Walker
4 Brandon Miller
5 Amen Thompson
6 Ausar Thompson
7 Cam Whitmore
8 Jett Howard
9 Brice Sensabaugh
10 Anthony Black
11 Keyonte George
12 GG Jackson
13 Nick Smith Jr.
14 Maxwell Lewis
15 Cason Wallace
16 Taylor Hendricks
17 Kris Murray
18 Dariq Whitehead
19 Kyle Filipowski
20 Terquavion Smith

1. Wembenyama
2. Henderson
3. George
4. Miller
5. Whitmore
6. Black
7. Amen
8. Jackson
9. Sensabaugh
10. Ausar
11. Wallace
12. Walker
13. Smith Jr.
14. Howard
15. Council
16. Whitehead
17. Lewis
18. Cleveland
19. Wilson
20. Hendricks

A lot of these are pretty soft, though, could see a lot of changes.

EMG518 wrote:1.Vic
2.Scoot
3.Amen
4.Ausar
5.Jarace
6.Miller
7.GG
8.Hendricks
9.Jett
10.Cason
11.Sensabaugh
12.Black
13.Smith Jr.
14.Schifino
15.Clowney
16.Dick
17.Cam
18.Filipowski
19.Cleveland
20.Starling

This one is probably the closest to my board. But you're really low on Whitmore and really high on Cleveland and Starling. Any reasons for where you have those 3 guys?

1. VW
2. Scoot
3. Br Miller
4. Walker
5. Whitmore
6. George
7. Hawkins
8. Black
9. Au Thompson
10. Am Thompson
11. Hendricks
12. GG
13. Wallace
14. Rupert
15. Kris Murray
16. Sensabaugh
17. Jett
18. Jalen Wilson
19. Filipowski
20. M Lewis

1 Victor Wembanyama

2 Scoot Henderson
3 Anthony Black

4 Keyonte George
5 GG Jackson
6 Cam Whitmore
7 Jarace Walker

8 Gradey Dick
9 Nick Smith Jr.
10 Taylor Hendricks
11 Brandon Miller
12 Jalen Wilson
13 Judah Mintz
14 Jordan Hawkins
15 Rayan Rupert
16 Ricky Council
17 Trey Alexander
18 Cason Wallace
19 Kyle Filipowski
20 Maxwell Lewis

- leaving guys like DWH and Thompson twins unranked for now until I have more info.

- 15-20 is very fluid for me, a lot of guys can go in this range (like DWH/Twins, Clowney, Holmes, Jett etc.) but these are the guys are probably most comfortable with at this point, but could easily change in a few weeks.

Hal14 wrote:

EMG518 wrote:1.Vic
2.Scoot
3.Amen
4.Ausar
5.Jarace
6.Miller
7.GG
8.Hendricks
9.Jett
10.Cason
11.Sensabaugh
12.Black
13.Smith Jr.
14.Schifino
15.Clowney
16.Dick
17.Cam
18.Filipowski
19.Cleveland
20.Starling

This one is probably the closest to my board. But you're really low on Whitmore and really high on Cleveland and Starling. Any reasons for where you have those 3 guys?

Whitmore to me looks like a guy who's offense will come down to 3pt makes and some put backs/cuts around the basket. I don't see him doing anything else offensively. He isn't a playmaker, he isn't going to be driving by guys and attacking the basket with the ball. He isn't going to be taking mid range shots.

There aren't any stars that I can think of that look like him/play like him.

I think how valuable he is basically comes down to whom/how well he can defend and what percentage he can hit an open shot from behind that arc at.

I think he is overrated probably in both of those areas. If you told me he is just a rotation guy in a few years I wouldn't be surprised.


Cleveland just needs to develop his shot, I like his game, I think he can do a bit of everything and fits into any team. I am betting on his shot becoming a bit better than passable and I think that justifies a spot in a rotation for him, maybe even a starter if he improves outside of the shot.


Starling I am betting on upside, I have seen him make some moves that are really high level and remind me of Donovan Mitchell. He is not by any means ready, has a lot to work on but he is young, and has the tools in my eyes to be better than many of the players I have ahead of him, it just comes down to how he develops. You can't teach some things he has, it's just talent. At 20 I am prepared to take a swing with him even if it misses.

EMG518 wrote:

Hal14 wrote:

EMG518 wrote:1.Vic
2.Scoot
3.Amen
4.Ausar
5.Jarace
6.Miller
7.GG
8.Hendricks
9.Jett
10.Cason
11.Sensabaugh
12.Black
13.Smith Jr.
14.Schifino
15.Clowney
16.Dick
17.Cam
18.Filipowski
19.Cleveland
20.Starling

This one is probably the closest to my board. But you're really low on Whitmore and really high on Cleveland and Starling. Any reasons for where you have those 3 guys?

Whitmore to me looks like a guy who's offense will come down to 3pt makes and some put backs/cuts around the basket. I don't see him doing anything else offensively. He isn't a playmaker, he isn't going to be driving by guys and attacking the basket with the ball. He isn't going to be taking mid range shots.

There aren't any stars that I can think of that look like him/play like him.

I think how valuable he is basically comes down to whom/how well he can defend and what percentage he can hit an open shot from behind that arc at.

I think he is overrated probably in both of those areas. If you told me he is just a rotation guy in a few years I wouldn't be surprised.


Cleveland just needs to develop his shot, I like his game, I think he can do a bit of everything and fits into any team. I am betting on his shot becoming a bit better than passable and I think that justifies a spot in a rotation for him, maybe even a starter if he improves outside of the shot.


Starling I am betting on upside, I have seen him make some moves that are really high level and remind me of Donovan Mitchell. He is not by any means ready, has a lot to work on but he is young, and has the tools in my eyes to be better than many of the players I have ahead of him, it just comes down to how he develops. You can't teach some things he has, it's just talent. At 20 I am prepared to take a swing with him even if it misses.

All fair points

EMG518 wrote:

Hal14 wrote:

EMG518 wrote:1.Vic
2.Scoot
3.Amen
4.Ausar
5.Jarace
6.Miller
7.GG
8.Hendricks
9.Jett
10.Cason
11.Sensabaugh
12.Black
13.Smith Jr.
14.Schifino
15.Clowney
16.Dick
17.Cam
18.Filipowski
19.Cleveland
20.Starling

This one is probably the closest to my board. But you're really low on Whitmore and really high on Cleveland and Starling. Any reasons for where you have those 3 guys?

Whitmore to me looks like a guy who's offense will come down to 3pt makes and some put backs/cuts around the basket. I don't see him doing anything else offensively. He isn't a playmaker, he isn't going to be driving by guys and attacking the basket with the ball. He isn't going to be taking mid range shots.

There aren't any stars that I can think of that look like him/play like him.

i don't disagree with any of that. but he's 18 and has played 15 games in college. so yeah, we can say he isn't this or isn't that until we're blue in the face, but he's SO far from a finished product.

if he never develops in any of those areas, he will be a bust. I don't know, but i expect improvement and a lot of of it from an 18 year old 15 games into his frosh season. he could certainly still bust, as could any of these guys, but his elite size and athleticism isn't a bad starting point for a prospect.

1 Victor Wembanyama
2 Scoot Henderson
3 Brandon Miller
4 Amen Thompson
5 Jarace Walker
6 Ausar Thompson
7 Keyonte George
8 Jett Howard
9 Brice Sensabaugh
10 Anthony Black
11 Cam Whitmore
12 Kyle Flipowski
13 Nick Smith Jr.
14 Jalen Wilson
15 Cason Wallace
16 Taylor Hendricks
17 Gradey Dick
18 Jalen Hood-Schifino
19 Maxwell Lewis
20 Ricky Council

Nick Smith if he had remained healthy for me slots in right before Anthony Black at 10, but he didn’t so I see him falling into the late lottery. The more I see of Maxwell the more I think he is a outside of lottery upside draft pick. I think GG Jackson and Whitehead will still go first round but for a variety of reasons I don’t think they go top 20. Also my sleeper on all of this is Keyonte George I think he has the talent to move up a few spots into the top 5 conversation.

1. Wembanyama
2. Henderson
3. Amen Thompson
4. Ausar Thompson
5. Whitmore
6. Walker
7. Brandon Miller
8. George
9. Leonard Miller
10. Hendricks
11. Hood-Schifino
12. Black
13. Rupert
14. Wallace
15. Terquavion Smith
16. Trayce Jackson-Davis
17. Howard
18. Hawkins
19. Sensabaugh
20. Wilson

Lists without Jalen Wilson on them are ass.

Victor
Scoot
Amen
Ausur
GG
Jarace
Keyonte
Miller
Cam
Smith Jr.
Howard
Sensabaugh
Hendricks
Dick
Wallace
Murray
Black
Lewis
Hawkins
Wilson, Filipowski or Ware

I wouldn't be surprised if Whitehead returns for a sophomore season.

Why are so many people down on Hood? I was listening to barlowe the other day and they both had him outside the first round

Catchall wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Whitehead returns for a sophomore season.

id be shocked, esp if it's @ Duke

clyde21 wrote:

Catchall wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Whitehead returns for a sophomore season.

id be shocked, esp if it's @ Duke

Where's his draft stock right now? He's averaging 8 and 2 on under 40% shooting.

1. Victor Wembanyama

2. Scoot Henderson

3. Anthony Black
4. Brandon Miller

tbh, this is basically all a blur down here, I really have no preference between this group.

5. Cam Whitmore
6. Jarace Walker
7. Jett Howard
8. Keyonte George
10. Kelel Ware
11. GG Jackson
12. Grady Dick
13. Ausar Thompson
14. Cason Wallace

azcatz11 wrote:Why are so many people down on Hood? I was listening to barlowe the other day and they both had him outside the first round

i'm a pretty big fan of jhs. i just think he goes back to indiana.