Jaylon Tyson

[EMG518]

I don't see a thread made for him.

I have him at #1 on my board.

Why is he not going to be an impact player at the next level?

[bucknut]

Doesn't play defense. Not as fluid long or adept at scoring as knecht off the pick and creating. Plays shorter and slower then listed. Doesn't look like an ideal NBA quick twitch and long athlete

He actually reminds me of less explosive Carter and Cole anthony in his movements on offense. He's all lower body. This is why I like Carter. You may be getting Tyson level offense with insanely good defense that plays like he's taller.

If you like Tyson why is he better then Dillon Jones ? Is he a better scorer then Antonio Reeves ?

[SelfishPlayer]

At 30% usage his full arsenal was on display at Cal. He is a pure guard with some size like D Wade, B Roy, Manu and Harden. He has incredible ball handling skills and the ability to pass and finish with either hand. He has a post up game, a drive game, a pull up game, he can spot up from deep, he can use the glass creatively when finishing, he sees the floor so he can fire one handed passes off the dribble. Jaylon Tyson has been basically unmentioned, but I view him as a lottery worthy pick in this draft. He is a pure hooper.

[FarBeyondDriven]

He can play, against college kids, but I'm not sure it's going to translate. I feel similarly with Shannon, Kolek and Scheierman to varying degrees.

[165bows]

Was listening to I think Sam Vecenie a few days back and that was his concern, that the defense was not that good.

He did surmise it’s possible to improve when he’s not carrying such a big offensive load but seems a bit of a cap on his ceiling if he’s a one way player.

[Notanoob]

I like his scoring arsenal, needs to trust his jump shot more, but the real problem with him is that he just has tunnel vision and turns the ball over too much. He's got some skill and is worth burning a second round pick on but he's limited athletically.

[SelfishPlayer]

I like his scoring arsenal, needs to trust his jump shot more, but the real problem with him is that he just has tunnel vision and turns the ball over too much. He's got some skill and is worth burning a second round pick on but he's limited athletically.

That's not going to age well. Andre Iguodala had a 34.5" max vertical and D Wade had a 35" max vertical. Jaylon Tyson has a 36.5" max vertical.

[Notanoob]

I like his scoring arsenal, needs to trust his jump shot more, but the real problem with him is that he just has tunnel vision and turns the ball over too much. He's got some skill and is worth burning a second round pick on but he's limited athletically.

That's not going to age well. Andre Iguodala had a 34.5" max vertical and D Wade had a 35" max vertical. Jaylon Tyson has a 36.5" max vertical.

This is why you don't take combine numbers seriously besides height and wingspan, he isn't more explosive than DWade or Iggy. He didn't finish that well at the rim. But what I meant was more that he isn't that fast laterally though. Should've be more specific, it's not like he's gonna struggle to dunk.

[SelfishPlayer]

I like his scoring arsenal, needs to trust his jump shot more, but the real problem with him is that he just has tunnel vision and turns the ball over too much. He's got some skill and is worth burning a second round pick on but he's limited athletically.

That's not going to age well. Andre Iguodala had a 34.5" max vertical and D Wade had a 35" max vertical. Jaylon Tyson has a 36.5" max vertical.

This is why you don't take combine numbers seriously besides height and wingspan, he isn't more explosive than DWade or Iggy. He didn't finish that well at the rim. But what I meant was more that he isn't that fast laterally though. Should've be more specific, it's not like he's gonna struggle to dunk.

Your opinion...

[kobyz]

Michael Redd as comparison?

[Telfaire]

I love him, put him 5th on my non-predictive mock draft (that is, it attempts to predict the re-draft order while remaining in line with team needs). See him as a combination of Brogdon, Caleb Martin, Afflalo (the shooting and defense parts), in a Jared Dudley/Joey Graham body (Graham was a **** ripped though, so it depends on how much muscle Tyson opts to put on).

But I'm still missing someone in the mixture, to account for the bag of tricks - the euro step, the pull-up jumper, the floater...

[Telfaire]

Michael Redd as comparison?

As for Redd, I see him as a good comp for Kencht (who's more athletic of course). They have very similar measurments.

[EmpireFalls]

His defense is really really concerning

[Telfaire]

His defense is really really concerning

Even as a sophmore on Texas Tech, in your opinion?

[EvanZ]

I like his scoring arsenal, needs to trust his jump shot more, but the real problem with him is that he just has tunnel vision and turns the ball over too much. He's got some skill and is worth burning a second round pick on but he's limited athletically.

That's not going to age well. Andre Iguodala had a 34.5" max vertical and D Wade had a 35" max vertical. Jaylon Tyson has a 36.5" max vertical.

This is why you don't take combine numbers seriously besides height and wingspan, he isn't more explosive than DWade or Iggy. He didn't finish that well at the rim. But what I meant was more that he isn't that fast laterally though. Should've be more specific, it's not like he's gonna struggle to dunk.

Watching him play it's hard to understand how he managed to get 24 dunks. He just doesn't seem very explosive at all. Reminds me of a CJ Elleby type. I actually liked him, but he was just a very boring prospect.

[greg4012]

I like his scoring arsenal, needs to trust his jump shot more, but the real problem with him is that he just has tunnel vision and turns the ball over too much. He's got some skill and is worth burning a second round pick on but he's limited athletically.

That's not going to age well. Andre Iguodala had a 34.5" max vertical and D Wade had a 35" max vertical. Jaylon Tyson has a 36.5" max vertical.

Dwyane Wade had 5 individual NBA seasons with over 100 dunks (high of 152). Tyson dunked the ball 24 times in 31 college games.

It's pretty clear to watch Tyson's tape and see that he often doesn't get the same burst off his last step that you want to see from explosive slashers. Hence him finishing around the rim at a clip of 58%.

I like Tyson a lot as a prospect, he does a lot of things well offensively. But, he's not one of the star athletes from this draft.

[SelfishPlayer]

I like his scoring arsenal, needs to trust his jump shot more, but the real problem with him is that he just has tunnel vision and turns the ball over too much. He's got some skill and is worth burning a second round pick on but he's limited athletically.

That's not going to age well. Andre Iguodala had a 34.5" max vertical and D Wade had a 35" max vertical. Jaylon Tyson has a 36.5" max vertical.

Dwyane Wade had 5 individual NBA seasons with over 100 dunks (high of 152). Tyson dunked the ball 24 times in 31 college games.

It's pretty clear to watch Tyson's tape and see that he often doesn't get the same burst off his last step that you want to see from explosive slashers. Hence him finishing around the rim at a clip of 58%.

I like Tyson a lot as a prospect, he does a lot of things well offensively. But, he's not one of the star athletes from this draft.

Comparing NBA stats directly to college stats, that's new...

[greg4012]

I love him, put him 5th on my non-predictive mock draft (that is, it attempts to predict the re-draft order while remaining in line with team needs). See him as a combination of Brogdon, Caleb Martin, Afflalo (the shooting and defense parts), in a Jared Dudley/Joey Graham body (Graham was a **** ripped though, so it depends on how much muscle Tyson opts to put on).

But I'm still missing someone in the mixture, to account for the bag of tricks - the euro step, the pull-up jumper, the floater...

You might be missing Tobias Harris. One of the questions I have with Tyson is his 3PA rate. Does he get tunnel vision and opt to create his own looks too often at the expense of the flow of the offense? Hard to say as he really didn't have any good creators around him so he had to do a lot.

His 3 pt shooting from his Soph season at TTech is encouraging. But, why was his 3PA rate still relatively low and why did he fall to 4th in the offensive pecking order there?

[greg4012]

That's not going to age well. Andre Iguodala had a 34.5" max vertical and D Wade had a 35" max vertical. Jaylon Tyson has a 36.5" max vertical.

Dwyane Wade had 5 individual NBA seasons with over 100 dunks (high of 152). Tyson dunked the ball 24 times in 31 college games.

It's pretty clear to watch Tyson's tape and see that he often doesn't get the same burst off his last step that you want to see from explosive slashers. Hence him finishing around the rim at a clip of 58%.

I like Tyson a lot as a prospect, he does a lot of things well offensively. But, he's not one of the star athletes from this draft.

Comparing NBA stats directly to college stats, that's new...

Comparing or context?

If I had D Wade's dunking numbers from college I would have shared them. Dwyane Wade is one of the most prolific perimeter dunkers of the 21st century. Quite literally the best slasher of the 20th century. Comparing Jaylon Tyson to him athletically is something that I would describe as lacking...

Now tell me about Tyson's finishing numbers, about his last step burst. Let's stick to substance instead of resorting to ad hominems due to lack of substantive response.

[SelfishPlayer]

Dwyane Wade had 5 individual NBA seasons with over 100 dunks (high of 152). Tyson dunked the ball 24 times in 31 college games.

It's pretty clear to watch Tyson's tape and see that he often doesn't get the same burst off his last step that you want to see from explosive slashers. Hence him finishing around the rim at a clip of 58%.

I like Tyson a lot as a prospect, he does a lot of things well offensively. But, he's not one of the star athletes from this draft.

Comparing NBA stats directly to college stats, that's new...

Comparing or context?

If I had D Wade's dunking numbers from college I would have shared them. Dwyane Wade is one of the most prolific perimeter dunkers of the 21st century. Quite literally the best slasher of the 20th century. Comparing Jaylon Tyson to him athletically is something that I would describe as lacking...

Now tell me about Tyson's finishing numbers, about his last step burst. Let's stick to substance instead of resorting to ad hominems due to lack of substantive response.

Jaylen Brown University of California 21 dunks
Jaylon Tyson University of California 24 dunks