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so uh, yea, this guy is kinda good

clyde21 wrote:so uh, yea, this guy is kinda good

Very impressive tape. He’s listed at 6’6 but his wingspan makes him a 6’8 savvy SG. I need to see more games, but I’m leaning towards taking him over Ace Bailey and Dylan Harper.

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Kid can flat out shoot it.

Chi town wrote:Kid can flat out shoot it.

This is what I was going to ask. Was he known as a good shooter coming in?, if yes than really impressed at this point.

EMG518 wrote:

Chi town wrote:Kid can flat out shoot it.

This is what I was going to ask. Was he known as a good shooter coming in?, if yes than really impressed at this point.

Yes he was. I think his main things have been peripheral skills he needs to add. Tighter handle, more physicality, just improving court awareness etc. I had him 8-12 before the season, but he is definitely a guy that might rise (I'm thinking about swapping where I have he and Hugo Gonzales).

babyjax13 wrote:

EMG518 wrote:

Chi town wrote:Kid can flat out shoot it.

This is what I was going to ask. Was he known as a good shooter coming in?, if yes than really impressed at this point.

Yes he was. I think his main things have been peripheral skills he needs to add. Tighter handle, more physicality, just improving court awareness etc. I had him 8-12 before the season, but he is definitely a guy that might rise (I'm thinking about swapping where I have he and Hugo Gonzales).

Yep. A shooter. Have him 9-14. He’s in a tier with Kon and Liam. Some great shooters in this draft.

Chi town wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:

EMG518 wrote:

This is what I was going to ask. Was he known as a good shooter coming in?, if yes than really impressed at this point.

Yes he was. I think his main things have been peripheral skills he needs to add. Tighter handle, more physicality, just improving court awareness etc. I had him 8-12 before the season, but he is definitely a guy that might rise (I'm thinking about swapping where I have he and Hugo Gonzales).

Yep. A shooter. Have him 9-14. He’s in a tier with Kon and Liam. Some great shooters in this draft.

I'll be interested in seeing Johnson's consistency against good competition. He has a really, really inconsistent handle, can even see it vs. Houston Christian.

I'm not buying 6'6". He looks like a 6'4" Cam Thomas on offense but with higher BBIQ and ability and willingness to pass. Top 5-10 lock but maybe could go higher

I like this kid’s toughness but the size is a concern. Will be interesting to see measurements.

I like his shot and intensity.

Looks like shorter Ace. Can’t get to the hoop.

I’d take 8-9 guards and wings over him that can create their own shot and playmake.

I have watched him a couple of times including the UConn game. Very impressed. He can create his own shot consistently and has shown some playmaker as well. Good effort on D.

As a wizards fan I would definitely take him top 5.

Chi town wrote:I like his shot and intensity.

Looks like shorter Ace. Can’t get to the hoop.

I’d take 8-9 guards and wings over him that can create their own shot and playmake.

if he can't do that, but they can, why aren't they doing it? how many 18 year old guard/wings are giving you 20+ ppg on 60%+ TS?

since we know they don't exist, why do you go ahead and name names - who are these 8 or 9 guard/wings you are referring to?

someone on draft twitter mentioned Allan Houston as a comp and I think it's perfect

clyde21 wrote:someone on draft twitter mentioned Allan Houston as a comp and I think it's perfect

I've been going through trying to find a comp and Houston is actually one I was thinking of lol (but it's not me). I think Tre plays with more intensity and less physicality, though (but is also quicker). JR Smith with less athleticism is another, he was really talented, had poor shot selection, but made tough ones. I think that is a nice floor? I'm still workshopping it Young Ray Allen also has some similar aesthetic qualities in his game.

clyde21 wrote:someone on draft twitter mentioned Allan Houston as a comp and I think it's perfect

Me too. Hes upright. Not a lot of wiggle or shiftiness in his game.

SeattleJazzFan wrote:

Chi town wrote:I like his shot and intensity.

Looks like shorter Ace. Can’t get to the hoop.

I’d take 8-9 guards and wings over him that can create their own shot and playmake.

if he can't do that, but they can, why aren't they doing it? how many 18 year old guard/wings are giving you 20+ ppg on 60%+ TS?

since we know they don't exist, why do you go ahead and name names - who are these 8 or 9 guard/wings you are referring to?

I’m looking more at ceiling as a creative 1st option with gravity.

Flagg, Ace (issues), Harper, Demin, KP, Riley, Traore, Saraf, Queen (big), Fears (Too Small) Noa (raw but 17).

Chi town wrote:

SeattleJazzFan wrote:

Chi town wrote:I like his shot and intensity.

Looks like shorter Ace. Can’t get to the hoop.

I’d take 8-9 guards and wings over him that can create their own shot and playmake.

if he can't do that, but they can, why aren't they doing it? how many 18 year old guard/wings are giving you 20+ ppg on 60%+ TS?

since we know they don't exist, why do you go ahead and name names - who are these 8 or 9 guard/wings you are referring to?

I’m looking more at ceiling as a creative 1st option with gravity.

Flagg, Ace (issues), Harper, Demin, KP, Riley, Traore, Saraf, Queen (big), Fears (Too Small) Noa (raw but 17).

Flagg as a first option in the NBA? Am i reading this right?

tontoz wrote:

Chi town wrote:

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
if he can't do that, but they can, why aren't they doing it? how many 18 year old guard/wings are giving you 20+ ppg on 60%+ TS?

since we know they don't exist, why do you go ahead and name names - who are these 8 or 9 guard/wings you are referring to?

I’m looking more at ceiling as a creative 1st option with gravity.

Flagg, Ace (issues), Harper, Demin, KP, Riley, Traore, Saraf, Queen (big), Fears (Too Small) Noa (raw but 17).

Flagg as a first option in the NBA? Am i reading this right?

Yep. He’s 17 and has a strong handle already. I see him as a first option next to a solid PG. also think his defense will create quite a bit of easy offense for him and others.

Chi town wrote:

tontoz wrote:

Chi town wrote:
I’m looking more at ceiling as a creative 1st option with gravity.

Flagg, Ace (issues), Harper, Demin, KP, Riley, Traore, Saraf, Queen (big), Fears (Too Small) Noa (raw but 17).

Flagg as a first option in the NBA? Am i reading this right?

Yep. He’s 17 and has a strong handle already. I see him as a first option next to a solid PG. also think his defense will create quite a bit of easy offense for him and others.

His handle is a weakness, not a strength. He's had a lot of ball handling turnovers with minimal resistance from the defense.

But his real weakness is his jumper. The only way he can score effectively is at the rim. There are only two good first option bigs in the NBA I can think of without an effective jumper, giannis and Zion.

Zion as a freshman at Duke averaged 22 PPG with 70% TS. Flagg is averaging 17 with a TS of 52%. Pretty big gap there.

Flagg is closer to Aaron Gordon than a first option.

tontoz wrote:

Chi town wrote:

tontoz wrote:

Flagg as a first option in the NBA? Am i reading this right?

Yep. He’s 17 and has a strong handle already. I see him as a first option next to a solid PG. also think his defense will create quite a bit of easy offense for him and others.

His handle is a weakness, not a strength. He's had a lot of ball handling turnovers with minimal resistance from the defense.

But his real weakness is his jumper. The only way he can score effectively is at the rim. There are only two good first option bigs in the NBA I can think of without an effective jumper, giannis and Zion.

Zion as a freshman at Duke averaged 22 PPG with 70% TS. Flagg is averaging 17 with a TS of 52%. Pretty big gap there.

Flagg is closer to Aaron Gordon than a first option.

He’s 17. He will be fine. Ultra competitive and strong work ethic.

I like that he is turning it over by pushing his limits. It’s not IQ TO’s. It’s aggressive playmaking TO’s.

Flagg is way more fluid that Gordon. In a fast paced offense where Flagg is down hill a lot he’d flourish and shine as a 1.