Queen vs Maluach - Who do you like more?

[azcatz11]

Who will have the better career?

[JMAC3]

Maluach shot blocking is pretty overrated to me - he averaged 2.5 blocks per 40 mins.
Mark Williams averaged 3.7 frosh, 4.8 blocks soph per 40 mins.
Kessler averaged 3.9 frosh, 7.1 soph per 40
Jaren Jackson 5.5 per 40
Clingan 5.5 as fresh, 4.4 soph per 40

There was a pretty easy case to make he wasn't even the best center on Duke for most of the year.
Both Brown and Ngonba have higher BPM this year. Especially defensively.

Brown Defensive BPM 7.1
Ngonba Defensive BPM 5.9
Khamam Defensive BPM 2.9

[God Squad]

I like this topic because it's a current issue and debate on the Raptors board. It seems like half think if he's there, you take him. The other half wouldn't touch him in the top 8-10. I like Maluachs potential and size, but he's been underwhelming all things considered.

I don't like Queen's archetype and lack of defense. But he's been very productive and efficient this season.

I'd go Maluach, but I understand the high bust potential.

[Bernman]

I like this topic because it's a current issue and debate on the Raptors board. It seems like half think if he's there, you take him. The other half wouldn't touch him in the top 8-10. I like Maluachs potential and size, but he's been underwhelming all things considered.

I don't think he's been disappointing. They just choose to play smaller a lot and have blown out teams. Per minutes Maluach actually grades out excellently.

It's not that different from saying Embiid was underwhelming because he averaged 11/8. Maluach actually has a better ws/40. He's stepped it up in the NCAA tourney.

[JMAC3]

I like this topic because it's a current issue and debate on the Raptors board. It seems like half think if he's there, you take him. The other half wouldn't touch him in the top 8-10. I like Maluachs potential and size, but he's been underwhelming all things considered.

I don't think he's been disappointing. They just choose to play smaller a lot and have blown out teams. Per minutes Maluach actually grades out excellently.

It's not that different from saying Embiid was underwhelming because he averaged 11/8. Maluach actually has a better ws/40. He's stepped it up in the NCAA tourney.

Brother what? Duke is probably the biggest team in the country?

They start 6-5, 6-5,6-7,6-9 and7-2

Ngonba is 6-11 off the bench, Isiah Evans is 6-6 off the bench, Foster is 6-5 off the bench. Are you saying Malik Brown is small for college basketball at 6-8?

Maluach minutes are down because the other guys have outplayed him for stretches throughout the year, nothing to do with Duke being some small ball team lol.

You have compared Kneuppel to Steph, Nash and Luka. Maluach to Embiid in the last 30 mins lol...

[Bernman]

Brother what? Duke is probably the biggest team in the country?

They start 6-5, 6-5,6-7,6-9 and7-2

Ngonba is 6-11 off the bench, Isiah Evans is 6-6 off the bench, Foster is 6-5 off the bench. Are you saying Malik Brown is small for college basketball at 6-8?

Maluach minutes are down because the other guys have outplayed him for stretches throughout the year, nothing to do with Duke being some small ball team lol.

You have compared Kneuppel to Steph, Nash and Luka. Maluach to Embiid in the last 30 mins lol...

You're either really illogical or arguing in bad faith in both cases. It's smaller than having a huge 7'2 guy at center. He's their biggest player, thus smaller. They also share the love because they have a lot of good players. You can only perform in your minutes. I demonstrated he has.

And again, somehow the better player I mention in one aspect of the game that's being argued, makes it worse for a player's outlook, and constitutes a 1:1 comparison. You must have failed your SAT's if this confusion is genuine.

[JMAC3]

Brother what? Duke is probably the biggest team in the country?

They start 6-5, 6-5,6-7,6-9 and7-2

Ngonba is 6-11 off the bench, Isiah Evans is 6-6 off the bench, Foster is 6-5 off the bench. Are you saying Malik Brown is small for college basketball at 6-8?

Maluach minutes are down because the other guys have outplayed him for stretches throughout the year, nothing to do with Duke being some small ball team lol.

You have compared Kneuppel to Steph, Nash and Luka. Maluach to Embiid in the last 30 mins lol...

You're either really illogical or arguing in bad faith in both cases. It's smaller than having a huge 7'2 guy at center. He's their biggest player, thus smaller. They also share the love because they have a lot of good players. You can only perform in your minutes. I demonstrated he has.

And again, somehow the better player I mention in one aspect of the game that's being argued, makes it worse for a player's outlook, and constitutes a 1:1 comparison. You must have failed your SAT's if this confusion is genuine.

I just think comparing every prospect to a former MVP is misleading, but you do you man.

[BlazersBroncos]

Sorber over both.

[EvanZ]

Sorber over both.

This

[babyjax13]

I think the best version of Queen has a higher ceiling than the best version of Maluach, but the floor of Maluach is higher than Queen's. Basically, Queen has to transform his body AND that transformation has to be sufficient such that his offensive value exceeds his defensive shortcomings. In addition to that transformation, he also needs to stretch his shot out to three. He didn't show the ability to do that consistently in college, but he is a good free-throw shooter, so I think he will. But, the ceiling is really determined by the body and I'm not incredibly confident in that. I think he'll be kind of a Naz Reid caliber player on the upper end where Maluach is more ... Steven Adams(?). I really have this as a push, but I went Maluach because his transition into an NBA role is pretty straightforward, IMO. Have normal physical development from transitioning into the NBA, be big.

EDIT: I changed my mind. Gun to my head and I'm going with the higher ceiling player and that is Queen. Maluach's archetype is pretty easy to find.

[ReggiesKnicks]

For Queen to become a sought-after asset in the NBA, he needs to replicate much of Julius Randle as a bully-ball archetype who can be a strong secondary playmaker. When comparing the two, Queen has shown more in other areas, notably as a lengthy defender with a clear length advantage over Julius. At the same time, I preferred Randle's motor (and about his motor, his rebounding) to Queen.

Truthfully, given what I had heard regarding Queen, I didn't think I would like him as a prospect. After watching some films of him recently and starting to dig into the top prospects of this class, Queen has a clear upside as an on-ball player with a unique size that compliments his basketball skill. He may develop more as a connector, but even when looking at simple higher-end outcomes, there is much to like about Queen as a prospect.

For Maluach, I believe size with IQ tends to translate well into the NBA. Malauch has incredible size coupled with both poise and IQ, which makes him an intriguing Center prospect. He isn't mobile like Lively, but he isn't stiff like Clingan. His hands are soft, and he is a large catch-radius, rolls with decisiveness to the rim in the P&R, and is spry enough to set a high-ball screen and still be impactful in the play as a roller.

Maluach doesn't have the untapped ceiling of an actual on-ball creating Center, but he doesn't need the on-ball ceiling to be a lottery pick. I have a hard time separating the players in the tier of Mark Williams, Derek Lively, Jalen Duren, Onyeka Okongwu, and Mo Bamba as prospects, but Maluach is in that tier. There isn't the overall upside of guys like Alperen Sengun, DeAndre Ayton, and Evan Mobley where they should be going Top 5 in their respective drafts. I like the tier above ahead of guys like Jaxson Hayes, Jalen Smith, and Donovon Clingan.

[EmpireFalls]

Sorber over both.

Really struggled against athletic competition.

[babyjax13]

Sorber over both.

Really struggled against athletic competition.

Maybe this brings up a good extended comparison, what are people's preferences in this group (should another guy be here? I assume these are the centers drafted from about 8-20):

Queen
Maluach
Sorber
Wolf

[BigGargamel]

Queen has more upside, but I'd probably place my bets on Maluach becoming a safer long term starter. Duke didn't ask much of him, I think he'll be a better NBA player. Solid defender and rebounder, with the ability to knock down long jump shots.

I could see Queen flaming out easily. He will need a specific situation that benefits him, while I think Maluach will be solid no matter what team he lands on.

Sorber over both.

I can't agree with this. Sorber's archetype rarely succeeds in the NBA. There are outliers of course, but what makes you think this?

[yellowknifer]

Queen has more upside, but I'd probably place my bets on Maluach becoming a safer long term starter. Duke didn't ask much of him, I think he'll be a better NBA player. Solid defender and rebounder, with the ability to knock down long jump shots.

I could see Queen flaming out easily. He will need a specific situation that benefits him, while I think Maluach will be solid no matter what team he lands on.

Sorber over both.

I can't agree with this. Sorber's archetype rarely succeeds in the NBA. There are outliers of course, but what makes you think this?

Maluach is somewhat inexperienced compared to most as well. His upside is pretty big because he is a great shooter for his size. Nice touch like you say too. Willing to play in a system with a lesser role too shown by his time at Duke. I’ll be surprised if he isn’t a good NBA player and he could wind up being great.

[EvanZ]

Queen has more upside, but I'd probably place my bets on Maluach becoming a safer long term starter. Duke didn't ask much of him, I think he'll be a better NBA player. Solid defender and rebounder, with the ability to knock down long jump shots.

I could see Queen flaming out easily. He will need a specific situation that benefits him, while I think Maluach will be solid no matter what team he lands on.

Sorber over both.

I can't agree with this. Sorber's archetype rarely succeeds in the NBA. There are outliers of course, but what makes you think this?

Maluach is somewhat inexperienced compared to most as well. His upside is pretty big because he is a great shooter for his size. Nice touch like you say too. Willing to play in a system with a lesser role too shown by his time at Duke. I’ll be surprised if he isn’t a good NBA player and he could wind up being great.

Maluach is a great shooter based on what?

[Braggins]

Measurements are going to be important for Sorber imo.

Hes not particular athletic and a bit shorter than youd like for a center. Seems like he has good strength and isn't a bad athlete, but if his wingspan measurement ends up being shorter than expected I think that will be a huge knock on him. I feel like hes going to need to have good length for the next level for his game to work out.

Although if he ends measuring a 7'5"+ wingspan and at least 6'9" in shoes I think you could make an argument for him as the top ranked center. I actually think his skillset looks like it fits quite well with what teams want from a center and the main issues with him are just size/athleticism.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Rough game from Maluach. He was completely invisible.

[Negrodamus]

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Queen would never.

[Chuck Everett]

Queen would be blessed to be half as good as Randle has been at the pro level. He also isn't much of a defender. Randle is a multi-time All-NBA player. If you think Queen can be that, then he should be going top 5.