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Tha King
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why should I be enamored with him? Not saying he wont be good (or even great) I would just like to know what you guys think? He's relatively undersized. Not that athletic. At times looks for his shot too much. Shaky at the free throw line in the clutch. Iffy about his defense. I hear people throwing around Chris Paul. People calling him Jameer Nelson. How do you guys view him?
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nykgeneralmanager
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Evaluating these guys, specifically point guards, is so difficult because there are so many areas of their games that need to be scrutinized. Most people tend to look at the black and white areas (good size? good jumpshot? good defender?) but ignore the grey areas.
For instance, you'll hear "So and so is a better penetrator than Augustin." Okay, but what about after these guys beat their man? This is where the grey areas come into play that people ignore, such as a pull up jumper, a floater, a finisher, a guy who finds the open guy in the corner after breaking down the D. And I think that it is these grey areas which Augustin solidifies himself as a great pro prospect. He doesn't have the great size, athleticism, and speed of guys like Rose or Bayless, but he is better than them in those grey areas that I mentioned. I really like Augustin and think he has a chance to be the 2nd best PG in this draft when we look back on this class in the future.
For instance, you'll hear "So and so is a better penetrator than Augustin." Okay, but what about after these guys beat their man? This is where the grey areas come into play that people ignore, such as a pull up jumper, a floater, a finisher, a guy who finds the open guy in the corner after breaking down the D. And I think that it is these grey areas which Augustin solidifies himself as a great pro prospect. He doesn't have the great size, athleticism, and speed of guys like Rose or Bayless, but he is better than them in those grey areas that I mentioned. I really like Augustin and think he has a chance to be the 2nd best PG in this draft when we look back on this class in the future.
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Cammo101
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DJ Augustine is TJ Ford with a jumper. He is everything you want in a PG. He is a table setter with a great feel for running an offense. He is an excellent passer and solid defender. Augustine is a deadeye shooter from deep and will get into the lane with ease in the NBA. He is a bit short, but unlike Jameer (who haters love to compare him to), DJ has the foot speed and lateral quickness to stay in front of his man on defense.
Augustine is the PG that people pray Bayless will become.
Augustine is the PG that people pray Bayless will become.
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Augustin is no CP3. By the way, Paul is absolutely amazing.
I actually like Cammo's take on Augustin. Hes not quite as explosive as TJ Ford, but I like him better as a prospect. I hope Augustin falls to the Pacers, but I cant be excited about the decision making in Indiana now that its Bird's show. God I think I am going to be sick.
I actually like Cammo's take on Augustin. Hes not quite as explosive as TJ Ford, but I like him better as a prospect. I hope Augustin falls to the Pacers, but I cant be excited about the decision making in Indiana now that its Bird's show. God I think I am going to be sick.
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Remember that people - outside of the ACC anyway - didn't catch on to how good Paul was till the end of his senior year. I think most ACC fans could tell he was a much better prospect than Marvin Williams, but nobody else could.
Like nykgm said, evaluating PGs is probably the hardest of any position. It's harder to tell how their abilities will translate to the NBA, and so much depends on the team they go to. The one thing that confuses me on Augustin is why some don't regard him as a good athlete.
Like nykgm said, evaluating PGs is probably the hardest of any position. It's harder to tell how their abilities will translate to the NBA, and so much depends on the team they go to. The one thing that confuses me on Augustin is why some don't regard him as a good athlete.
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nykgeneralmanager wrote:Evaluating these guys, specifically point guards, is so difficult because there are so many areas of their games that need to be scrutinized. Most people tend to look at the black and white areas (good size? good jumpshot? good defender?) but ignore the grey areas.
For instance, you'll hear "So and so is a better penetrator than Augustin." Okay, but what about after these guys beat their man? This is where the grey areas come into play that people ignore, such as a pull up jumper, a floater, a finisher, a guy who finds the open guy in the corner after breaking down the D. And I think that it is these grey areas which Augustin solidifies himself as a great pro prospect. He doesn't have the great size, athleticism, and speed of guys like Rose or Bayless, but he is better than them in those grey areas that I mentioned. I really like Augustin and think he has a chance to be the 2nd best PG in this draft when we look back on this class in the future.
Quality post.
Augustine is the PG that people pray Bayless will become.
So was this!!
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nykgeneralmanager
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Ruzious wrote:Remember that people - outside of the ACC anyway - didn't catch on to how good Paul was till the end of his senior year. I think most ACC fans could tell he was a much better prospect than Marvin Williams, but nobody else could.
Like nykgm said, evaluating PGs is probably the hardest of any position. It's harder to tell how their abilities will translate to the NBA, and so much depends on the team they go to. The one thing that confuses me on Augustin is why some don't regard him as a good athlete.
Well it is natural for people to fall into the trap of COMPARING players rather than simply evaluating them individually. This draft has guys like Rose and Bayless who are athletically gifted, and Augustin simply gets compared to them rather than evaluated on his own. When you look at him individually, he is a superb athlete. But when you compare him to the guys ahead of him on the draft board (as 99% of people do) suddenly he doesn't look as athletic because he is shorter and doesn't have their lighting speed or their huge vertical leaps. It isn't a knock on him but rather a compliment to guys like Rose. I am a huge Augustin fan as you can tell by my post from before and I think he is a great athlete, people just need to stop automatically comparing these guys.
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Ruzious wrote:Remember that people - outside of the ACC anyway - didn't catch on to how good Paul was till the end of his senior year. I think most ACC fans could tell he was a much better prospect than Marvin Williams, but nobody else could.
Huh? Paul left as a soph and was the projected #1 pick before that season started.
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nykgeneralmanager
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Tha King wrote:would you guys consider DJ a better PG prospect then Conley?
Thats really difficult. Conley's faster and better with the ball, but Augustin is a better scorer. In terms of their PG skills, I don't know if I can say one is clearly better than the other. Defensively I'd give Conley the edge. I might take Conley but its a good debate that you bring up.