Is this Caracter draftable?

Ca · Post #1 » by Ca » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:39 pm

Well is he? He seems really overweight and a headcase. That's all I know, Ive never seen him play.

corwin · Post #2 » by **corwin** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:52 pm

He's a physical post player. Looks strong, even in the Big East. I'd say that his size is sort of like Joey Dorsey. Surely worth a look with a second rounder if a team has a roster spot.

randomhero423 · Post #3 » by **randomhero423** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:09 pm

2nd round pick if you gotta good locker room...

he'll be in the fast food business in 2-3 years i think

kookie_819 · Post #4 » by **kookie_819** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:42 pm

He's definitely worth a look as a 2nd rounder. He has his issues, but he's very talented for his size... but his ball handling and passing is similar to Eddy Curry, so he needs help in that.

If he can keep his weight and play motivated, he could be an Eddy Curry-like player.

Flite · Post #5 » by **Flite** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:26 am

I said at the start of the season that I would want him in the mid-late first round (19-25 range, only because of weight issues) and I stand by that. He's a pro, definately. There's risk involved, but he's so much better than his numbers and reputation show.

I don't like the Eddy Curry comparisons. The whole assist/turnover ratio and the myth about him being a terrible passer and black hole I attribute to the fact he was never given decent minutes and the team always went away from him - he forced things and tried to get his because of this. Remember he was a top recruit coming out of high school and was coming off a great performance against Greg Oden in the ABCD camp. It's a similar issue with Tyrus Thomas - he plays great one game, then is banished to the bench for 10 games, get's another chance, does well but nothing becomes of it.

I wouldn't call Derrick a Chris Webber type passer, but I'd say he's at least average if not better for an NBA post player. He understands the game well, it's just frustration caught him at Louisville.

The weight issues are risky, if this was not a problem I wouldn't have a problem with taking him in the mid-late lottery, and if he recieved 30+ mins at Louisville like most top recruits do I bet alot of analysts would think the same.

I see him as an Al Jefferson with some mid range NBA skill and lackluster defence. Maybe a cross between Antoine Walker's skillset (meaning a big guy with decent ballhandling ability and long range - just not as far out as Walkers) and Al Jefferson's.

If he falls into the mid second round, someone is going to have quite a suprise on their roster.

Cammo101 · Post #6 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:15 am

Caracter has a lot of upside, and because of that he would get picked in the 2nd round. No way he is a 1st rounder though. Terrible hands, questionabe body and work ethic, trouble finishing. He simply has to stay in school.

Flite · Post #7 » by **Flite** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:06 am

Terrible hands, questionabe body and work ethic, trouble finishing. He simply has to stay in school.

Body and worth ethic, yes.

But terrible hands and trouble finishing? How many times have you watched him play?

The guy has fantastic hands (showed them again today) and is particularly skilled with his back to the basket (and facing up close to the rim for that matter), his touch downlow and in midrange is great. He's pretty damn effecient downlow - now that may change on the next level - but right now he has no trouble getting his shot off and making it near the rim.

Cammo101 · Post #8 » by **Cammo101** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:33 pm

Flite wrote:
Terrible hands, questionabe body and work ethic, trouble finishing. He simply has to stay in school.

Body and worth ethic, yes.

But terrible hands and trouble finishing? How many times have you watched him play?

The guy has fantastic hands (showed them again today) and is particularly skilled with his back to the basket (and facing up close to the rim for that matter), his touch downlow and in midrange is great. He's pretty damn effecient downlow - now that may change on the next level - but right now he has no trouble getting his shot off and making it near the rim.

I have seen him plenty. He misses point blank shots in the paint and fumbles the ball around a ton.

fugop · Post #9 » by **fugop** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:14 pm

Caracter has great hands, and loves contact down low. When he misses bunny shots, it's usually because there isn't any contact and he doesn't know what to do. He draws fouls well and is massively strong. His relative shortness, probably 6'8.5 with shoes or so, shouldn't be a problem on the offensive end.

He's definitely got issues though, and could end up in a Zach Randolph situation (Zach's definitely the best comparison). If he comes back for his junior year, I think Pitino will get through to him. He made progress this year, convincing him to put the team first and actually focus on winning rather than personal accolades. Far from being in a bad situation, he's probably in the only situation where he can come out as a good pro. Padgett's leadership hasn't hurt either.

Post #10 » by **el loco** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:00 am

fugop wrote:Padgett's leadership hasn't hurt either.

I think that has helped him the most in more ways than one. Padgett was out for a spell and that seems to have helped quite a bit as well. That whole Louisville team is a completely different sqaud then the team that started the season. They really struggled a bit before they got into conference play.

Post #11 » by **blkout** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:27 am

How many times have you watched him play?

I find this so ironic coming from you :lol:

skiz2 · Post #12 » by **skiz2** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:51 pm

I would personally stay away from him. He has had everyone pulling for him to fill that unlimited potential he had, and has done nothing but wasted it. The kid could be a top 10 pick if he would have lost his weight and actually cared about developing his game. He has taken a fall straight down hill since his High School days. He is such a waste of a talent. :noway:

hype_2004 · Post #13 » by **hype_2004** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:29 pm

Ca wrote:Well is he? He seems really overweight and a headcase. That's all I know, Ive never seen him play.

lazy, fat, slow and he has short arms, poor mans Big baby davis.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #14 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:04 pm

I don't see Caracter in the NBA. He needs to stay at school for the rest of his career, win some games at Louisville, get into playing shape, and become a force

Flite · Post #15 » by **Flite** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:30 am

Citizen.Eras3d wrote:
How many times have you watched him play?

I find this so ironic coming from you

Why so?

RMbChillen42 · Post #16 » by **RMbChillen42** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:40 am

Chris Taft part 2

MalReyn · Post #17 » by **MalReyn** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:18 pm

No team should waste a pick on him, but I think multiple teams will line up to sign him on their summer league.

One of those players, "Don't want to take a risk on but I'd love to bring him in just in case he works things out." I predict he'll actually get close to making a roster (maybe making a team's preseason roster) before being cut due to character issues.