OJ Mayo vs. Deron Williams

Butter · Post #1 » by **Butter** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:47 pm

How does OJ compare with DWill? They're pretty comparable in size. Both are good defenders. Maybe OJ gets the edge at perimeter shooting? My impression is that Williams is more of a pass first mentality.

I'm really hoping that the Blazers can trade up and draft Mayo. All trade opinions aside, if that did happen, how would those two match up going head to head?

Post #2 » by **moocow007** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:57 pm

Butter wrote:How does OJ compare with DWill? They're pretty comparable in size. Both are good defenders. Maybe OJ gets the edge at perimeter shooting? My impression is that Williams is more of a pass first mentality.

I'm really hoping that the Blazers can trade up and draft Mayo. All trade opinions aside, if that did happen, how would those two match up going head to head?

Ball handling...big difference.

Mayo has not shown the ability to put the ball on the floor and maintain his dribble when the defense comes at him nor the ability to drive by the defender off the dribble consistently. Kinda important skills that NBA PG's (especailly starting caliber ones that you expect to be good to great) should have. Deron Williams had better handles and was able to dribble into traffic and even by his man quite regularly at Illinios.

So ultimately the net difference is Deron Williams is a PG, OJ Mayo is not. Mayo, if he's really 6'5" might be more along the lines of a Brandon Roy.

endemicBull · Post #3 » by **endemicBull** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:34 pm

Court vision, ball handling(as mentioned), passing(Williams was the best assist man in the B10 at age 19, how old is Mayo now? 21?), shooting all clearly go to Williams, imo. Mayo has the athleticism that scouts look for, but I'm not sure he is playing with a full deck. Time will tell, but I don't think any GM wants a player like Mayo running the point. He has the natural ability to develop in to an all-star SG, but the odds are stacked against him.

Cammo101 · Post #4 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:46 pm

Williams is a true PG who is also an offensive stud. Mayo is just an offensive stud, and IMO, not even as good an offensive player as Deron was coming out of college. Deron was clearly the better prospect.

kodo · Post #5 » by **kodo** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:19 am

Very different players.

Deron's favorite player and model is Jason Kidd.
OJ Mayo wants to be Kobe Bryant.

bigballa3jj · Post #6 » by **bigballa3jj** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:26 am

kodo wrote:Very different players.

Deron's favorite player and model is Jason Kidd.
OJ Mayo wants to be Kobe Bryant.

Mayo has said his favorite player is Magic
i know his game doesn't resemble his though

Butter · Post #7 » by **Butter** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:27 am

I only watched 2 or 3 USC games. I was really not impressed with their team offensive philosophy. I never really saw OJ run the offense, but that didn't seem the way that the coach used him.

If he was on a talented team where he could create more for his team mates, I'm sure that he'd still shoot a lot, but I was hoping/assuming that he could be much more of a play maker as well. Kind of a shooting PG along the lines of Marbury maybe?

Butter · Post #8 » by **Butter** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:29 am

bigballa3jj wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Mayo has said his favorite player is Magic
i know his game doesn't resemble his though

As crazy as this sounds with all of Mayo's hype, I still think he's got a lot of untapped potential.

SpyderRyder1 · Post #9 » by **SpyderRyder1** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:06 am

Butter wrote:I only watched 2 or 3 USC games. I was really not impressed with their team offensive philosophy. I never really saw OJ run the offense, but that didn't seem the way that the coach used him.

If he was on a talented team where he could create more for his team mates, I'm sure that he'd still shoot a lot, but I was hoping/assuming that he could be much more of a play maker as well. Kind of a shooting PG along the lines of Marbury maybe?

QFT

I was watching a lot of USC and Arizona games to see Mayo and Bayless (blazer fan also) and I have to say that the USC offense was atrocious. Just pass the ball around the 3pt line and then with 5 seconds left to go clear out and let Mayo drive 1 on 4 or take an off balance 3 pter to beat the clock.

legacyinthemakin89c · Post #10 » by **legacyinthemakin89c** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:13 am

I really think Mayo is going to be a perennial all-star in this league. But I wouldn't be surprised if his teams never made the playoffs. In terms of production, I feel like hes the next T-Mac.

Villanova1L · Post #11 » by **Villanova1L** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:44 am

Butter wrote:I only watched 2 or 3 USC games. I was really not impressed with their team offensive philosophy. I never really saw OJ run the offense, but that didn't seem the way that the coach used him.

If he was on a talented team where he could create more for his team mates, I'm sure that he'd still shoot a lot, but I was hoping/assuming that he could be much more of a play maker as well. Kind of a shooting PG along the lines of Marbury maybe?

Which makes it a LOCK the Knicks draft him.

Post #12 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:57 am

Butter wrote:I only watched 2 or 3 USC games. I was really not impressed with their team offensive philosophy. I never really saw OJ run the offense, but that didn't seem the way that the coach used him.

If he was on a talented team where he could create more for his team mates, I'm sure that he'd still shoot a lot, but I was hoping/assuming that he could be much more of a play maker as well. Kind of a shooting PG along the lines of Marbury maybe?

That's been my exact opinion for a while. I didn't start watching USC basketball until late January, but I came away thinking that it was about the worst possible offensive philosophy for Mayo. Switch Rose with Memphis and I wonder if everyone is raving about Mayo right now and the incredible pro he's about to become.

ripcityblazers · Post #13 » by **ripcityblazers** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:23 am

mayo is not a real point guard but if the blazers got him somehow he and roy could share that duty with that great duo in the backcourt. i think he will be a great player he is the best outside of rose and beasley in this draft.
deron williams is a different player they are not really comparable

richboy · Post #14 » by **richboy** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:25 am

Mayo might be more compariable to someone like Gilbert Arenas. Although Arenas is probably the better ballhandler.

Cassius · Post #15 » by **Cassius** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:24 pm

Joe Dumars anyone?

bigballa3jj · Post #16 » by **bigballa3jj** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:28 pm

Cassius wrote:Joe Dumars anyone?

if mayo plays defense like dumars did, watch out

Post #17 » by **moocow007** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:09 pm

richboy wrote:Mayo might be more compariable to someone like Gilbert Arenas. Although Arenas is probably the better ballhandler.

Arenas is probably the fastest player in the NBA with the ball in his hands. Cosidering one of Mayo's weaknesses is his dribbling I can't see him being Arenas like.

Post #18 » by **moocow007** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:11 pm

kodo wrote:Very different players.

Deron's favorite player and model is Jason Kidd.
OJ Mayo wants to be Kobe Bryant.

I don't know about that...I think it's the hype that wants him to be (and tries to sell him as) Kobe Bryant.

Post #19 » by **moocow007** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:13 pm

Butter wrote:I only watched 2 or 3 USC games. I was really not impressed with their team offensive philosophy. I never really saw OJ run the offense, but that didn't seem the way that the coach used him.

If he was on a talented team where he could create more for his team mates, I'm sure that he'd still shoot a lot, but I was hoping/assuming that he could be much more of a play maker as well. Kind of a shooting PG along the lines of Marbury maybe?

He's not shown the ball handling skills nor the ability to consistently take it to the basket that Marbury has since well before Georgia Tech. Marbury was one of the best in the NBA at taking the ball to the basket and either making the shot or getting fouled (notice I didn't say anything about passing it to the open man). Mayo has not shown he can consistently put the ball on the floor much less be an absolute terror going to the basket which again was what Marbury was as early as Lincoln High.

Post #20 » by **moocow007** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:17 pm

Butter wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

As crazy as this sounds with all of Mayo's hype, I still think he's got a lot of untapped potential.

Mayo can be an extremely good player in the NBA but I think the problem he will have (if he let's it be a problem) is trying to live up to being the type of player that he may have been unfairly hyped to be. I mean honestly, the way Mayo has been portrayed before he arrived at USC was the next Lebron or Kobe. That is an absolutely impossible goal for him to live up to because he simply does not have the physical tools nor basketball skills that those two have. If people can accept that he's not the next great thing then I'm sure they'll be happy with the guy. But if they are expecting what he has been hyped to be for years they are going to be extremely dissapointed. I mean honestly, it's amazing that some people, even after his first season at USC and people around the country (and the world) finally able to see the guy, still are latching onto him being the next Kobe. I think that has and will hurt him. If he wasn't OJ Mayo, this larger than life, next great thing, then I think he'd be viewed as just a very talented college basketball player.