What pick could Bogut nab if on the block?

[ReasonablySober]

He's not.

But I'm curious. If the Bucks started to shop Andrew Bogut, how high of a pick could he fetch?

Assume Beasley, Rose, Mayo, Bayless and Lopez go in the top five.

[ISB]

I'd rather have Bogut than Lopez.

so I guess I'd say pick #4.

[gswhoops]

I'd say Bogut is definitely not good enough to get a top 2 pick but probably worth more than a #3-5 pick, so I don't know. Honestly, you guys have the #7, why would you need another pick in the top 5 (assuming you can't move into the top 2)?

[mr.ankle]

I still can not believe the bucks pick Bogut over Chris Paul

[gswhoops]

I still can not believe the bucks pick Bogut over Chris Paul

I can. Saying the Bucks should have taken Paul over Bogut is revisionist history. Bogut was clearly the #1 prospect going into the draft, with Marvin Williams and Paul battling for the #2 and #3 spots.

[Young_Star11]

I'd rather have Bogut than Lopez.

so I guess I'd say pick #4.

[pillwenney]

Like with many good not great young players, he's definitely not worth a top 2 pick, but I think I might say that he's worth more than Mayo. It's really tough to find really good centers in this league.

[DanTown8587]

#3, easy. In fact, if Miami is at three, I could see a #3 for Bogut deal.

Then the bucks do Hughes+#9 for Redd, Williams for Snow+19, then draft

#3 OJ Mayo
#7 Anthony Randolph
#9 Kosta Koufos
#19 Brandon Rush
#37 Nathan Jawai

Sessions/Mayo
Mayo/Rush/Mason
Randolph/Rush
Yi/CV
Koufos/Jawai

[5DOM]

#3, easy. In fact, if Miami is at three, I could see a #3 for Bogut deal.

Then the bucks do Hughes+#9 for Redd, Williams for Snow+19, then draft

#3 OJ Mayo
#7 Anthony Randolph
#9 Kosta Koufos
#19 Brandon Rush
#37 Nathan Jawai

Sessions/Mayo
Mayo/Rush/Mason
Randolph/Rush
Yi/CV
Koufos/Jawai

talk about a young team...

[Devilzsidewalk]

talk about a crappy team....

[cdash]

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I can. Saying the Bucks should have taken Paul over Bogut is revisionist history. Bogut was clearly the #1 prospect going into the draft, with Marvin Williams and Paul battling for the #2 and #3 spots.

The thing is...he really wasnt. Look back on articles and stuff written, he wasnt a consenus for the top pick. I remember reading a lot of stuff on how Chris Paul would turn out as the best player in that draft. This all gets back to the bias that you cant pick someone shorter than 6'6 with the top pick. Hasnt happened since Iverson.

As for Bogut fetching the third pick in this draft...I really dont think so. He seems to have leveled off and is a serviceable center, but he doesnt strike me as someone you can build your team around. He is still only 23, so its not out of the question for him to improve still, but I think he's closer to the 6-9 range.

[skones]

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The thing is...he really wasnt. Look back on articles and stuff written, he wasnt a consenus for the top pick. I remember reading a lot of stuff on how Chris Paul would turn out as the best player in that draft. This all gets back to the bias that you cant pick someone shorter than 6'6 with the top pick. Hasnt happened since Iverson.

As for Bogut fetching the third pick in this draft...I really dont think so. He seems to have leveled off and is a serviceable center, but he doesnt strike me as someone you can build your team around. He is still only 23, so its not out of the question for him to improve still, but I think he's closer to the 6-9 range.

This post is wrong on so many levels.
1. Bogut WAS the consensus number one overall pick. Just because people speculate about a certain player becoming the best player in the draft DOES NOT mean that they are considered for the number one overall selection. I've heard analysts say something to the effect of "could turn out to be one of the best if not the best player in this draft." The selection was between Williams and Bogut while Paul was considered the third best prospect by most bar none. You're talking about a talented 20 year old center who suddenly burst out his sophomore year with a 20 and 12 season on ridiculous shooting percentages while also leading his team to the sweet 16 despite the fact he had no supporting cast.

2. Leveled off? The guy didn't get the ball until January. You obviously didn't pay attention to Bogut for 60% of the season in which he put up 16 points and 10-11 rebounds with 2 blocks on a consistent basis. On top of that, he improved his defense light years from where it was the year before and suddenly became a shot blocking force, but you're right, he's completely leveled off and has shown no signs of improvement......

3. If BROOK LOPEZ is worthy of a top 5 pick in this draft, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON Bogut shouldn't be as well.

[cdash]

Everyone knew that Bogut would go number one, but I dont think every team in the league would have done the same. So, no, he wasnt the "consensus" top pick. There was no question the Bucks would pick him, and while I will concede that most teams would have chosen Bogut, he still wasnt the clear cut top pick a la LeBron, Oden (before you argue there, no team in the league would have ever actually chosen KD over Oden), etc.

I watched Bogut, I know he started picking it up towards the end of the season, but do you really think he is going to take the next step and become a dominant center in this league? Not even dominant, but even an All-Star? I realize you are a Bucks fan and live up there, but try to temper the homer tendencies.

I am not saying Bogut isnt worthy of a top 5 pick, I am just not sure any team in the top 5 would trade their pick for him. We are talking trades, not "if Bogut was in this draft, where would he get drafted". By this point in his career, we have a pretty good idea what his ceiling is. I'm certainly not saying Brook Lopez will be better than him, but I am taking a lot of things into account when I say "no team in the top 5 would trade their pick for him". Obviously, we dont know who is in the top 5 yet, and it could change if a team like the Bulls catapults into the lottery, but just as of now, I cant see it. Bogut is due for a fat extension soon and its unclear whether he can be an All-Star or franchise cornerstone (I think if he were that good, with as weak as the East is, the Bucks wouldnt have been so miserable).

[Ruzious]

I still can not believe the bucks pick Bogut over Chris Paul

Nobody had Paul going number 1. Most of the internet experts had Williams as their choice. And the Bucks were obviously depending on TJ Ford's return. There are a LOT of things to criticise the Bucks for, but picking Bogut ain't one of them.

[corwin]

#3, easy. In fact, if Miami is at three, I could see a #3 for Bogut deal.

Bingo. IMO #3 is the value.

[lajes55]

I think number 3 is about right but I think he's worth more to the Bucks than that.

[Simulack]

I think its a near lock Bogut would be #3 in this draft behind Beasley and Rose if he were coming out in this class.

As for Bogut/Paul, is there any way to look at the DraftExpress/NBADraft.net archives? If I recall, Paul was #1 in most mocks the majority of the year. I believe the incident with Hodge hurt his stock a bit as well as Harris immediately turning it into Bogut vs. Williams by overvaluing our PG position. Look at things realistically, we had a 7.1ppg 6.5apg rookie who shot atrociously from the floor and hadn't played in a year and a half and a 2nd round player (whose previous team had let him go for nothing) who was coming off a 10/6 type season on one of the worst teams in the league. Not quite as loaded at the spot as Bucks management thought.

What I'm saying is that Bogut was really only a sort of 'consensus' #1 pick after the Bucks won the lottery. For much of the actual NCAA season, people had Paul at #1. The off-court incident with hodge and the Bucks supposed depth at the PG position were what framed it as Bogut vs Williams IMO.

Other teams like Atlanta **** the bed worse but the Bucks **** up too by not even working out Paul (if I remember correctly).

[cdash]

I think its a near lock Bogut would be #3 in this draft behind Beasley and Rose if he were coming out in this class.

As for Bogut/Paul, is there any way to look at the DraftExpress/NBADraft.net archives? If I recall, Paul was #1 in most mocks the majority of the year. I believe the incident with Hodge hurt his stock a bit as well as Harris immediately turning it into Bogut vs. Williams by overvaluing our PG position. Look at things realistically, we had a 7.1ppg 6.5apg rookie who shot atrociously from the floor and hadn't played in a year and a half and a 2nd round player (whose previous team had let him go for nothing) who was coming off a 10/6 type season on one of the worst teams in the league. Not quite as loaded at the spot as Bucks management thought.

What I'm saying is that Bogut was really only a sort of 'consensus' #1 pick after the Bucks won the lottery. For much of the actual NCAA season, people had Paul at #1. The off-court incident with hodge and the Bucks supposed depth at the PG position were what framed it as Bogut vs Williams IMO.

Other teams like Atlanta **** the bed worse but the Bucks **** up too by not even working out Paul (if I remember correctly).

That, essentially, is what I was trying to say. You relayed it better than me though.

[JMillott]

You guys have to understand part of the value of a top 5 pick is that your getting what should be an allstar level talent for less then the mid level exception.

The only teams that would normally looking to swing out of the top five are looking for proven allstar production.

Not saying Andrew Bogut isn't a nice center but that rookie contract ends after next season and 15/11/3 type centers can basically expect at least 5 years 60 million dollars.

Is Andrew Bogut really worth giving up the chance to get Brook Lopez who may very well match that production for 4 years at 18 million?

As others have mentioned I think its questionable that teams he is worth 40 million more then Brook Lopez over the next four years to more than one or two teams.

Those teams in my mind would be the Heat and Wolves.

The Heat must have not only interest in getting a sure thing at Center to play with Wade and Marion but i'm sure would love to expand such a deal to get Mo Williams as well while dumping Blount and Banks.

The Wolves want to get Al Jefferson locked in at PF so they can get the most from him going forward as their franchise player. If they had to choose between Lopez and Bogut its got to be a no brainer.

[ReasonablySober]

I think its a near lock Bogut would be #3 in this draft behind Beasley and Rose if he were coming out in this class.

Maybe I wasn't completely clear. I'm not saying if he were coming out now, I'm saying what pick he could fetch if he were traded, now. The current Bogut. The one that's been in the league three years.

Maybe he still gets the #3.