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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#221 » by G R E Y » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:09 am

kasrok wrote:Hope you enjoyed the bottle of wine Grey and hope you’re feeling better grump. I’ve gone over multiple graft grades and Grey was right, overall our haul is being graded pretty well, so kudos and hopefully I’m wrong and these players are all make an impact.

But, I can’t imagine all of these players sticking with us, before the draft I heard there was no way we were bringing 4 rooks to camp but as of now we have 5? Three draftees and 2 UDFAs.

And my memory is a little foggy but trades involving recent draftees doesn’t really happen after the draft right?

:lol: Thank you! It was really a glass and a half, the rest the excitement of the draft itself. It was one of those where we had the most picks ever and I felt the least sure about any of them.

I wasn't initially high about Sochan but sort of couldn't really latch on to others. I liked Eason but had to acknowledge his BBIQ issues; I could see the appeal of Duren but we already have a no 3s C so it seemed liek we ought to go with more overall two-way talent at 9; I could talk myself into Davis though it sort of felt off, too, for some murky underlying reason.

Truthfully I looked into Branham and Wesley even less. I didn't even know we worked out Branham until after the draft when the lads were being interviewed and they revealed that they had a competitive workout together. Mocks had Branham going higher; Brian Wright et al expected him to go mid to late lotto. Wesley was mocked higher than 25, too, though the idea of two guards was not foremost in mind.

From what RC said post-draft, Brian Wright et al were preparing for months and had to make decisions on the fly -- we probably didn't expect Branham to fall in our lap and either had to choose between him and who we otherwise would have chosen. It is curious we went with Wesley, but thinking about our roster and who could be here or not you suddenly get the extra guards influx.

I'm happy to be more open minded about Sochan and trust PATFO about the choice. I felt better about Branham and Wesley once I looked into them more.

One key different trend I noticed with all our recent selections is that they're more outgoing, more two-way players from the start, gym rats who love to work and compete. Motivation and competitiveness is definitely NOT something we have to worry about. We learned and adjusted.

As to keeping the picks, well we must be thinking who we're keeping or not. Lonnie is likely not staying long term whether we re-sign him or not. Langford has a team option for next season. We had two two-way contract players this past season in Stewart (SG) and Woodard (SF) and we already signed Barlow to a two-way contract so one of these (or both) will be replaced. We converted Wieskamp's two-way to a standard contract but he's also a SG on a rookie contract vying for a spot. JRich and Doug are trade candidates with their good contracts and useful vet skill set. So that's five, potentially six players who could be on different teams, four of whom are guards.

As to your last question, some trades made now could be announced but some can't be completed until certain dates ie/ free agency period depending on whatever parameters affect a particular trade.

We only made the trade of #38 to the Grizz. I'm not sure when we can potentially any of the new players once we sign them. It's my understanding, though, that we drafted all three to keep them.
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#222 » by G R E Y » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:12 am

Speaking of draft day trades:
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#223 » by BostonCouchGM » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:35 am

I come in peace. Not trying to troll or start something. I found this to be a very questionable draft for you guys. Sochan at #9? Seriously? I don't get it. 9-6-2 and shot 29% from three. Sure, he's got size, he puts in maximum effort and looks like a real team first glue guy. But you don't take those guys #9 overall imho. I'm sorry you just don't. These are the types of players you take when you already have your superstar(s) and are rounding out your roster. You don't have a center of the future and both Duren and Williams were on the board.

Branham is a good player. However, you guys are stacked at the 2. If this move was made in anticipation of someone being moved then it makes sense. Otherwise, it's going to be hard to juggle minutes for all of them. Then yet another combo guard in Wesley? And he can't shoot (30% from three). I LOVE the Barlow pick up though.

I hated where Primo was picked too last draft. It's like you zero in on guys and take them 10 picks too high instead of moving around and picking up more assets. With all the trades I know teams were willing. Hey, maybe you didn't take a center because you're working on a Gobert trade or plan to get Ayton? Or maybe you're embracing the tank to land a whale in next year's draft and hope Primo and Sochan have developed and shown they can be #2 and #3 guys to go along with that #1.

I hate to question the Spurs with their track record but that track record is based off of hitting on developmental guys while you had Duncan and it's been nearly a decade. And no success once Duncan retires. So I can't be the only one wondering
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#224 » by G R E Y » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:16 am

I guess you didn't read all the great reviews our draft got? And if you notice in the Draft Forum in the winners and losers of this draft thread, you're literally the only one who thought we had a bad draft. Most everyone else had us in the draft winners and gave good reasons why.

Where Sochan is and where he will be are two different things. Same with Primo.

We can't draft for fit. Duren and Williams aren't floor stretchers in the modern game. We have cap space and we haven't been able to use it yet so we'll see how we address the front court but we got better from the last three drafts and can soon add to it in the trade/FA markets.

We will have around six anticipated players move, four are guards. So there's no issue getting more.

We had great records post-TD and always drafted late. I guess Kyle Anderson, Derrick White, Dejounte, Keldon, now Devin coming up and whoever else don't count? They do to teams who acquired some of them.

Not sure how you can criticize year one of a rebuild but you've thrown in a lot of other things that have no merit. What does no success post-TD mean? Not winning a championship? Ok I guess 29 other teams fail every year by that standard.

This is the way we've always developed. There is no skipping steps, though there could be chances to, say, get into the next gear if plans if next steps work out right, but on our own path.

Often people want a quick move or a major shift into tank mode. When had that worked? Has Philly won with it? Sac? OKC? Which team? We're not dramatic and the steps we take may not be to others' idea of how to turn it around but the culture and program are huge in transitioning through the youth movement.

How about we develop the guys we drafted and let them actually play before declaring them as anything but young players with the upside we see which is why we drafted them.
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#225 » by JeffReal » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:18 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:I come in peace. Not trying to troll or start something. I found this to be a very questionable draft for you guys. Sochan at #9? Seriously? I don't get it. 9-6-2 and shot 29% from three. Sure, he's got size, he puts in maximum effort and looks like a real team first glue guy. But you don't take those guys #9 overall imho. I'm sorry you just don't. These are the types of players you take when you already have your superstar(s) and are rounding out your roster. You don't have a center of the future and both Duren and Williams were on the board.


The Spurs didn’t need a center. Simple as that. They needed defensive help at the forward position.

Select a player like Sochan at #9, of course you do, especially in a draft like this one. It wasn’t a superstar draft, although it was reasonably deep in players who will probably find a place in the NBA.

Or did you spot a superstar you think the Spurs missed with the ninth pick? If so, name him.

Your ideas about chronology are dubious, I must say. Where did you get the bizarre notion that no team should draft a good player until after they acquire a great player?

Upon what do you base that theory?
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#226 » by Phreak50 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:35 am

We should have taken Duren at 9th.

Sochan may have still been available later. I don't see where the hype is coming from.
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#227 » by Phreak50 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:37 am

G R E Y wrote: Duren and Williams aren't floor stretchers in the modern game. .


And Jakob is?

It would be a dream come true for our guards to have an athlete like Duren to work with on pick and rolls.

Instead of a slow, lumbering Poeltl who rarely dunks and is never a lob threat.
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#228 » by G R E Y » Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:27 pm

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G R E Y wrote: Duren and Williams aren't floor stretchers in the modern game. .


And Jakob is?

It would be a dream come true for our guards to have an athlete like Duren to work with on pick and rolls.

Instead of a slow, lumbering Poeltl who rarely dunks and is never a lob threat.

So why would we get more of what we already have?! For guys who jump higher and dunk? Jakob is already one of the best O rebounders for his position, certainly one of the best defenders, too.

Jakob doesn't dunk, true, but to describe him as slow and lumbering simply defies reality. He's one of the most nimble 7' players in the league.

Look up how often we used Jakob in P&Rs. It's like a staple play of ours with him! Not dunking on alley oops means little when Jakob has the height and finishes with such efficiency.

Look where those players went-Detroit and Charlotte, both teams who were dying for a C to pair with their star PGs, both teams who were interested in acquiring Jakob!

As Jeff said above, Sochan can defend 1-5 and is the more versatile player among the three. We need both higher floor and higher ceiling players. Sochan was used to bring up the ball and initiate the O at times, too. He can create his own shot rather than a traditional C who doesn't.

We haven't hit free agency yet and our roster isn't done being retooled. Jakob may not even be here and we may acquire a more versatile C. But if he is, pairing him or Collins with Sochan already makes us better defensively and at 19 there's plenty to work with in getting his shot to improve.

You don't get specialized help for a rebuilding team that needs two-way talent.
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#229 » by imagump1313 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:48 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:I come in peace. Not trying to troll or start something. I found this to be a very questionable draft for you guys. Sochan at #9? Seriously? I don't get it. 9-6-2 and shot 29% from three. Sure, he's got size, he puts in maximum effort and looks like a real team first glue guy. But you don't take those guys #9 overall imho. I'm sorry you just don't. These are the types of players you take when you already have your superstar(s) and are rounding out your roster. You don't have a center of the future and both Duren and Williams were on the board.

Branham is a good player. However, you guys are stacked at the 2. If this move was made in anticipation of someone being moved then it makes sense. Otherwise, it's going to be hard to juggle minutes for all of them. Then yet another combo guard in Wesley? And he can't shoot (30% from three). I LOVE the Barlow pick up though.

I hated where Primo was picked too last draft. It's like you zero in on guys and take them 10 picks too high instead of moving around and picking up more assets. With all the trades I know teams were willing. Hey, maybe you didn't take a center because you're working on a Gobert trade or plan to get Ayton? Or maybe you're embracing the tank to land a whale in next year's draft and hope Primo and Sochan have developed and shown they can be #2 and #3 guys to go along with that #1.

I hate to question the Spurs with their track record but that track record is based off of hitting on developmental guys while you had Duncan and it's been nearly a decade. And no success once Duncan retires. So I can't be the only one wondering


Don't worry, we can be the two guys who think we crapped the bed on the last 2 drafts. :lol:

Exactly like you said. I think we lock in on guys and try to be the smartest people in the room then draft people 10 picks before anyone would have even considered them. The last 2 drafts have been exactly that.

Most people hate me for saying it but Primo is going to be an average NBA player at best. Sochan is decent but not at 9.

Branham was an ok Big 10 college player I guess but I watched several OSU games and didn't even know who he was because he made no impact whatsoever.

I have no idea what we were thinking drafting Wesley. His ceiling is still being in the NBA next year while we could have taken a chance with Jovic (who could totally be a bust himself) who's ceiling is mountains higher than Wesley.

I'm not questioning the Spurs history but I will question Brian Wright's. He had made some decent picks (Vassell, Keldon Johnson, Tre Jones) but I'm starting to wonder.
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#230 » by imagump1313 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:55 pm

Phreak50 wrote:We should have taken Duren at 9th.

Sochan may have still been available later. I don't see where the hype is coming from.


I would have rather had Williams than Duren because Duren is really raw but I guess that would depend if we are trying to win sooner than later. If we are trying to move Poeltl and Murray then Duren would be fine.
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#231 » by Ballings7 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:59 pm

Phreak50 wrote:
G R E Y wrote: Duren and Williams aren't floor stretchers in the modern game. .


And Jakob is?

It would be a dream come true for our guards to have an athlete like Duren to work with on pick and rolls.

Instead of a slow, lumbering Poeltl who rarely dunks and is never a lob threat.


Poetl definitely isn't slow on either end of the floor. He is agile for a 7 footer, but not a "leaper" by any means, no.

Slow and lumbering are guys like Valanciunas, Nurkic, Boban M., Jokic to all different degrees.
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#232 » by mzfk69 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:51 am

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BostonCouchGM wrote:I hated where Primo was picked too last draft. It's like you zero in on guys and take them 10 picks too high instead of moving around and picking up more assets. With all the trades I know teams were willing. Hey, maybe you didn't take a center because you're working on a Gobert trade or plan to get Ayton? Or maybe you're embracing the tank to land a whale in next year's draft and hope Primo and Sochan have developed and shown they can be #2 and #3 guys to go along with that #1.

"Furthermore, I can’t emphasize enough how much the Spurs believe in Joshua Primo’s potential. Multiple individuals employed by the Spurs say the franchise views Primo’s ultimate position to be point guard and that he’s exhibiting extreme work ethic and has made notable strides already this offseason. If the Spurs have a franchise player already on the roster, these Spurs insiders believe it’ll end up being Primo."
https://www.spurstalk.com/dejounte-murray-trade-rumor-atlanta-hawks/
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Re: 22 Draft 

Post#233 » by imagump1313 » Sun Jul 3, 2022 2:22 pm

imagump1313 wrote:I have no idea what we were thinking drafting Wesley. His ceiling is still being in the NBA next year while we could have taken a chance with Jovic (who could totally be a bust himself) who's ceiling is mountains higher than Wesley.



Ok so I take it back watching Jovic play a bit against G-Leaguers. I know its only one game but the kid plays exactly like Luka Samanic.
He has a great shot but looks totally in over his head otherwise.

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