Spurs in Carter sweepstakes ?

[Blame Rasho]

There is only so much shots to go around. Ask PHX how the Richardson trade is going?

The fact is that we have to address other things more so than scoring at the wings.

[vincecarter4pres]

VC is an outstanding shooter from anywhere on the court.

He is also very passive at times, to a fault at times.

He is not a whiny primadonna that is gonna make waves on a team the caliber of San An, or any team, if he isn't getting his.

Believe me, half of one season from a career journey man doesn't prove to me that Mason is a better shooter then Carter.
Carter is arguably almost as good a shooter as Ray Allen.

His range is flatout remarkable.
The guy shoots and makes set shot 3's from half court every day in practice.

I am not just hyping him up because of my user name, or because I am a Nets fan or some VC obsessive. I regularly admit his faults and like any player in the spotlight, he has enough of them.
The problem is, most of the faults or shortcomings and negatives that most fans seem to relate to Carter couldn't be more made up and further from the truth.

VC maybe one of the least appreciated and respected superstars in the game who gets a lot of criticism, of which only maybe 10 to 20 % is deserved.

Even the whole debacle in Toronto was and is so blown out of proportion it is not even funny.
A lot of it is made up and taken out of context on top of that, along with the fact it was 5 years ago.

[realrayman]

Spurs dont' matchup well with Lakers while we match up better against Boston.

At this stage even if manu were healthy who thinks Spurs would pull off a 7 game series against LA? And realistically LA are only gonna get better the longer they play together in subsequent years.

It's true Spurs need a good defensive big but how many of them are there? Bonner has been playing out of his mind recently as well; and he lacks size and skill but he tries hard and offers a different type of skill set being able to hit the open three. Can anybody name any other decent big that would be available before the deadline?

You'd have to be silly not to pull the trigger on this trade - a superstar for Mason and Hill? I know he's old but VC has shown he's more versatile than just dunking the ball. If VC comes to Spurs how motivated will he be? He goes from a team getting ready to bid on Lebron to instant contender for a championship. If anything he'd be lifting his game even more.

Then in the offseason sign Rasheed and Spurs are set for 2009-10

Duncan, Sheed, VC, Findog (I'm resigned to the fact Finley will be with the Spurs forever), Parker
Bench: Manu, Bonner, KT, Bowen, Udoka, Mahinmi

The only downside I see to the trade is by losing Hill Spurs will be forced to play JV more..... which is pretty bad..

[SD2042]

VC is an outstanding shooter from anywhere on the court.

That title belongs to Ray Allen

He is also very passive at times, to a fault at times.

Drawing a blank since I don't seethe Nets play much.

He is not a whiny primadonna that is gonna make waves on a team the caliber of San An, or any team, if he isn't getting his.

Carter like Sheed from Portland days don't like being put into a position where they have to put the team on their backs on the nightly basis. They benefit better if two or more players share the load.

Believe me, half of one season from a career journey man doesn't prove to me that Mason is a better shooter then Carter.

Mason played a good season with the Wizards last season. So far, he looks to go for two. Keep it going Mase.


Carter is arguably almost as good a shooter as Ray Allen.

Again, that title belongs to Ray Allen.

His range is flatout remarkable.
The guy shoots and makes set shot 3's from half court every day in practice.

It's good that VC practices well on his perimeter game. He's shooting 39% because of it. Overall, he's a career 37% 3pt shooter. It's a flip of the coin on this issue.

I am not just hyping him up because of my user name, or because I am a Nets fan or some VC obsessive. I regularly admit his faults and like any player in the spotlight, he has enough of them.
The problem is, most of the faults or shortcomings and negatives that most fans seem to relate to Carter couldn't be more made up and further from the truth.

VC maybe one of the least appreciated and respected superstars in the game who gets a lot of criticism, of which only maybe 10 to 20 % is deserved.

VC was highly regarded in the same level as your Kobe Bryants and Ray Allens early on in his career. That was due to his highlight reels of dunks. When he went down with that knee injury in Toronto. His popularity somewhat faded, but not gone completely. If any stars were considered least appreciated, look at Tracy McGrady. Unfortunately, he hasn't been successful in breaking through has round 1 of the playoffs in his career. He's nearly walking in line with Penny Hardaway when it comes to ironies. Both were well regard as stars in the NBA after two to three yrs into their careers. Had some mild successes, but injuries keep holding them back and not allowing them to heal completely.

Even the whole debacle in Toronto was and is so blown out of proportion it is not even funny.
A lot of it is made up and taken out of context on top of that, along with the fact it was 5 years ago.

VC was put into a situation to where he had to take the team by the reins and lead them to glory. He lacked the leadership and the ability to handle the pressure to being #1. Same thing happen to Rasheed Wallace back in Portland.

[vincecarter4pres]

^^^^Yeah, we pretty much agree on everything.

I would honestly say Allen and Carter at this point in their careers are basically equal shooters.
The slightest advantage would go to Allen because he is a little more consistent.
The main reason that Allen has recently had higher %'s is basically because he is shooting a reduced volume and gets a lot more open looks and less pressure from the defense.

And I like Mason, so I wasn't trying to be negative on the guy, just saying he doesn't compare to VC, even an aging and less athletic VC.

I don't like this trade much from a Nets fan perspective, but if it does go down, just trying to give you guys a little insight from a fan that has watched 90% of his games since he became a Net and a decent amount before that since he is my favorite player.

Was wondering what you guys think about Hill?

If this trade went down he would be a backup for us because of Harris, but I am sure Thorn would look to combine him with another one of our players or picks to swap him for another young prospect that plays a different position in the offseason.

Then again, if Hill wound up that good, you never know, Harris holds big time trade value......

[NetsForce]

There is only so much shots to go around. Ask PHX how the Richardson trade is going?

The fact is that we have to address other things more so than scoring at the wings.

That's a good point though I think that like the Celtics the Spurs would big name players would be able to reduce their shot attempts and swallow their egos for the good of the team.

If you're acquiring Carter though I wouldn't pigeonhole him into being just a scorer, the dude is an ELITE playmaker, great rebounder (for a guard), and in general just an all-around contributer... Defensively he's average, maybe even above average in some regards, I can't speak to how his defense was in Toronto but Vince competes night in and night out in NJ and he's not giving up easy basket after easy basket like some star players tend to do.

For the record though, I'm against this trade from a New Jersey standpoint. I'm a big Roger Mason Jr. fan and I like what I see from George Hill but at this point in time I think the correct course of action for the Nets is to keep Carter until at least this offseason.

[DBMethos]

Hill is a very serviceable backup at this point, and he's still quite raw. He needs to learn to be more aggressive when running the offense, but his defense and rebounding is already pretty good for a PG. The thought of going back to Jacque Vaughn as our backup makes me shudder...

[realfung]

Mason is a keeper man.

[coyotes_geek]

Well, Manu isn't going to play tonight due to a sore ankle. The other one. His health adds an entirely new dynamic to the VC rumors. In fact for someone like me who has voiced objection to trading for VC, assuming we have a healthy Manu, it pretty much changes everything. Hopefully this is just a minor injury with no long term concerns and he's back on the court next game. But if it isn't and the Spurs are genuinely worried about whether Manu is going to be healthy enough to go once the playoffs role around, then landing a player of Vince's caliber becomes pretty damn important.

[SMRattler]

VC isn't coming here. Not now, not this summer, not ever. Period.

[Spursfan88]

I do think Vince Carter can be huge for the spurs, and that if it were just roger mason and vince carter involved in the trade, i believe we should do it in a heart beat, even though roger has been soooooo clutch for us. but i think to give up hill along with mason would hurt us. Vaughn although a veteran does not have the ability or threat to score as hill does and Vaughn is on the tail end of his career. where hill has a HUGE upside, and when he gets experienced can attribute very well. When tony has to sit due to fatigue or fouls it is clutch to the spurs regular season or playoffs to have a PG that can not only manage a team but to initiate something by driving and shooting or driving and dishing. thats something we missed last year in having vaughn as a backup PG which dont get me wrong Vaughn is a good PG but he doesnt have that threat to drive as much as Hill does.

[Horryble]

On paper, this trade would have made the Spurs better this year. But by how much, since Carter is not really a Spurs philosophy type player?

And long term did they really want to have that extra luxury tax. It may not be the kneejerk desire of the fans, but it's good that this didn't go down.