Do we bring him back?
Yes, he has his weaknesses. He's not a 6'10'' version of Michael Jordan. At the same time we have to realize that he does bring something to this team. He is the biggest player outside of Duncan at 6'10''. He stretches the floor as a bigman more than Dice, Blair, or Splitter if he comes. And he always gives effort. You gotta appreciate effort. He may not worth his previous contract (3 million) and while I think the veteran minimum is all he can get elsewhere, I do think that if he stays, the Spurs are going to offer him more than the 1.1 mil veteran minimum. Maybe something in the range of LLE (1.8 mil).
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IMO he's our most unappreciated player. If our big rotation next season is Dice, Blair, TD and Splitter I have no issue with bringing Bonner back.
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Okay, I am a long time reader of RealGM and the Spurs messages boards. I could not, as a Spurs fan stand passively by and allow this to go on. This talk about resigning Matt Bonner has to stop. To be honest the fact that you think Bonner is worth resigning, worth a roster spot really does put into question if you have even seen a Spurs game. Yes, Bonner is 6’10, and yes he can shoot a set 3 (90-231 for the season) not bad but not great. Oh, and he can eat sandwiches. What he brings to the offensive side of the ball does not make up for everything he lacks. Matt Bonner cannot defend, doesn’t have the strength to guard a big, doesn’t have lateral speed to guard the wing, doesn’t have speed period. Just about every screen he sets can be called a moving screen (I really do think it is not called because the refs feel sorry for him). He is slow to react and fouls often, he is 6’10 and is often out rebounded by smaller players. Look at the job he did on Stoudemire as an example, every time Bonner was left on Stoudemire, it turned into a basket or, a trip to the line sometimes both. John Hollinger, an ESPN basket stat head, shows Matt Bonner’s player efficiency rating PER for the playoffs as a lowly 8.57. To put that into prospective, players like Michael Beasley, Jeff Green, Glen Davis, and Ryan Anderson all have a better PER. Yes he does try, but that is nothing more than further proof of his uselessness. The fact that he does try and still is unable to put together anything more than an okay game here and there just shows he has no business on the hardwood. Let alone in a Spurs uniform. Even at the veteran minimum 1.80 million is too much, that is 1.80 million we can put into a player we can use that would be unlike Bonner…..useful.
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Well that's not fair if you're grading Bonner on his job on Stoudamire. In that case, Duncan doesn't even worth the MLE. It turned into a basket or a trip.
The fact is right now that with our perimeter guys being slashers, it is imperative to have that big man who spread the floor. That is the main reason you see Duncan being paired with a shooting big man (Dice/Bonner). This didn't happen in years past where we paired Duncan with non-shooting bigs like Oberto/Nazr/Rasho but we actually had a shooter at the SF (Bowen) or SG (Finley) to space the floor. Otherwise, you'd be having 5 guys on the floor who lives in the paint.
Unless we find a replacement for a shooting big man (Someone like Frye), then Bonner still has value to this team as that shooting big. There's a reason Blair played behind Duncan instead of beside him. Unless Jefferson turned into a shooter or Splitter/Blair learned to shoot, they'll remain Duncan's backup. And that'll mean Dice playing 48 minutes a game.
The fact is right now that with our perimeter guys being slashers, it is imperative to have that big man who spread the floor. That is the main reason you see Duncan being paired with a shooting big man (Dice/Bonner). This didn't happen in years past where we paired Duncan with non-shooting bigs like Oberto/Nazr/Rasho but we actually had a shooter at the SF (Bowen) or SG (Finley) to space the floor. Otherwise, you'd be having 5 guys on the floor who lives in the paint.
Unless we find a replacement for a shooting big man (Someone like Frye), then Bonner still has value to this team as that shooting big. There's a reason Blair played behind Duncan instead of beside him. Unless Jefferson turned into a shooter or Splitter/Blair learned to shoot, they'll remain Duncan's backup. And that'll mean Dice playing 48 minutes a game.
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Eh... I guess for less than 2 million, he could be useful but he should be a guy who gets spot mins and not a rotaton player.
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If Bonner resigns he will eat into minutes that should go to Blair and Splitters development. We don’t need a big help spread the floor, Bowen, Finley (the younger one that was able to shoot and defend) and Brent none of these players are “big men” they are wing players that shot the ball and able to defend the wing. Is Bonner able to do that? Lets look at our title runs 99, 03, 05,and 07, our big men next to Duncan are Robertson, Rasho, Nazr, and Obert all big men all big men who helped rebound the ball and on really helped out on the defensive end. Is Bonner able to that? The answer to both those questions is no. That money can go to a player that will not eat into Blair and Splitters minutes, able to shoot the 3 and able to do a good job defending the 3. Not on a useless player.
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Bowen, Finley, and Barry are wing players but we're talking on offense. They spread the floor. With Duncan, Manu, Jefferson, and Parker, the floor shrinks unless you want to turn Manu into a spot up shooter.
Next year is likely to be our last run for the title. I couldn't care less about Blair and Splitter developing until after next season. If Blair and Splitter don't learn how to shoot and can't play next to Duncan, then it's on them for not learning how to shoot in the summer.
It's weird that when you talk Bonner, you're only talking defensive side. We all know that he contributes little on the defensive side, but considering our perimeter rotation, what he brings on the offensive side as a shooting big is really big. Without him or McDyess on the floor, we'd have 5 guys living in the paint and i've said that many times. How do you expect Manu, Tony, or even Jefferson to get to the rim if Duncan is in there with Blair and Splitter? We'll start seeing Tony and Jefferson shoots plenty of jumpers. That's what.
Next year is likely to be our last run for the title. I couldn't care less about Blair and Splitter developing until after next season. If Blair and Splitter don't learn how to shoot and can't play next to Duncan, then it's on them for not learning how to shoot in the summer.
It's weird that when you talk Bonner, you're only talking defensive side. We all know that he contributes little on the defensive side, but considering our perimeter rotation, what he brings on the offensive side as a shooting big is really big. Without him or McDyess on the floor, we'd have 5 guys living in the paint and i've said that many times. How do you expect Manu, Tony, or even Jefferson to get to the rim if Duncan is in there with Blair and Splitter? We'll start seeing Tony and Jefferson shoots plenty of jumpers. That's what.
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He's a usefull player and I really want to keep him around. He brings alot of energy to the game and he stretchs the floor for us on offense.
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Bonner is history hopefully.
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I can’t believe I even have to defend the fact that Matt Bonner is dead weight and should not in a Spurs jersey next year. Of course I talk about his defense, if I talked about his offence it would be one sentence. Bonner is able to shoot a set 3. Great!!! Does it really matter? He is a huge liability on defense, that’s why I talk about it. You have to put into prospective, does it really matter if he hits a 3 every now and then if he gives up a basket every time on the defensive end? Or allows the opponent to get 2nd chance points because as a “big” he is unable to rebound the ball? He brings energy? Good, so his lackluster attempt at playing basketball is the best he can do? Great, now I can see this is the best he can do and it’s still trash. Go you think he will be hard to find someone who can hit a set 3?
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Rumors are now saying the Spurs just called Bonner to try and get him back. It's on Mysa.com
Anyways, this has to effect something. We already have Duncan, Blair, and McDyess. Add that we're gonna bring in Splitter. I understand the need for Bonner's long range shooting even if it's only for 15 minutes a night sort of thing because Blair and Splitter doesn't provide us that. But at the same time, that's 5 bigs for 2 positions.
If we bring back Bonner, I think we'll be seeing Dice trade sometime this year. Hopefully it nets us some perimeter help.
Anyways, this has to effect something. We already have Duncan, Blair, and McDyess. Add that we're gonna bring in Splitter. I understand the need for Bonner's long range shooting even if it's only for 15 minutes a night sort of thing because Blair and Splitter doesn't provide us that. But at the same time, that's 5 bigs for 2 positions.
If we bring back Bonner, I think we'll be seeing Dice trade sometime this year. Hopefully it nets us some perimeter help.
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Dice's minutes will be slashed with the development of Blair and even more so if Splitter comes across.