Time to blow it up

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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#21 » by batmana » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:17 am

I don't think your Brandon Jennings comparison is consistent - Jennings was a bench player in Europe who would get garbage time only.

Rubio is a starter and if by some ridiculous circumstance he hits a shot, he actually gets 20+ minutes on the floor. But just because he was physically ready to play with the pros at 18 doesn't mean he will be a superstar by 25.

Jennings was playing in his first year on that team, obviously had to learn the game, the system, the language, his teammates. Rubio is playing with those guys in Barcelona and in the national team for several years now. At least he knows how to be part of the team, I'll give him that. But I don't see anything that I like about him. One thing though, I can see Minnesota take him alright. With Darko Milicic, he will make sense there :D
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#22 » by Alex Trevelyan » Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:58 am

Nolan wrote:
We can win another chip with this core group. If we end up losing this series we'll need to make some changes with our role players. RJ and Bonner need to go and we need to pick up a could wing defender and a true center. Samuel Dalembert is a guy i'd love to see in a Spurs uni, he's the long defensive minded big that we need next to Duncan.

People need to stop hitting the panic button. This is still a really good team and will continue to be one. Our franchise has been so sucessful through the years because we never went out and blew up our teams, we retooled and stayed patient. If we would of dealt Robinson and Elliot when things turned crappy this team wouldn't of won those 4 chips. Pops and the front office know what they're doing and how to build a contender.


This is incredibly naive. The Spurs are not winning another championship with a core of Ginobili, Duncan and Parker. If they couldn't beat an 8-seed that really isn't that good, coming off a 60 win season, under what condition will they be able to defeat ascending teams like the Thunder, Bulls, Heat, going forward? You'll never be as young again as you are today. It's preposterous to think that Ginobili and Duncan in particular are going to elevate or even be able to maintain their current levels of play, which in Duncan's case, is already in severe decline.

Blowing up the Spurs wouldn't be a panic move. It would be a prudent calculation. The Spurs are now the Celtics from 20-years ago. Good enough to make it appear like they can compete, but too old and too limited to be a contender. What you're watching is a slow descent into mediocrity. Let's face reality. The Spurs caught lightning in a bottle. They tanked the year before Duncan came out because of an injury to Robinson, then they got lucky in the lottery, then they were fortunate to get some difference-makers in the draft later than team's normally can get them. That's not likely to happen again. This is a small-market team with some bad contracts. They're not going to attract marquee free agents nor can they afford them. It's easy to talk about "improving the roster", but how do the Spurs do that? They're not one or two role players away from another title run, don't kid yourself. It's not a Bruce Bowen or Robert Horry type who is going to save this team.

This franchise needs youth and it needs pieces they're only going to be able to get going forward by making trades with players that still have value. Duncan isn't carrying the Spurs to another title, but he could be valuable to a team that is on the cusp. Ginobili and Parker aren't carrying a team to a title without a dominant Duncan, but they can certainly be the piece for an ascending type franchise. If the Spurs don't make a move, you can watch them slowly decline. You can experience the sort of thing Boston fans went through as the Bird years came to an end, and relevance wouldn't come again for 20-years.
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#23 » by Blame Rasho » Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:51 pm

We don't need to blow it all up. It would be stupid because our pieces, Duncan, Manu, and Parker are worth far much more to us than any other team. We would get **** in return if we wanted to trade them.

Everyone else is expendable and you know what... if this is the end of the road... I am ok with it.
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#24 » by Imadogg » Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:55 pm

What does Pop think about this?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKMBgTacw0[/youtube]
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#25 » by Rondo2Hondo » Sun May 1, 2011 5:09 am

Imadogg wrote:What does Pop think about this?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKMBgTacw0[/youtube]


Pop has nothing left in his bag of tricks except humour. Hurry up and release Duncan so he can sign with Boston for the minimum :D
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#26 » by co_laper » Thu May 5, 2011 10:28 am

I'm bracing for mediocrity. I know most of us here are so used to playing for the title and would rather blow it all up and start over so we can build a title team.

Personally, I don't want us to get stuck in the lottery all the way in the bottom. It's not like getting a high draft pick means a success. Plus, with our market, if we can't put together a winning team on the floor, it's highly likely that we'll start losing fans. And if the losing continues for longer than expected, it could get to a point where the team might have to move or whatever.

Lottery teams want to be playoff teams. Playoff teams want to be title teams. If we can be a playoff team, even if we're stuck like Indiana, atleast we can hope for the best and wish that one of our young guys blows up and become a franchise player. Or from the FA perhaps. Star player would go to a playoff team in FA. But they don't go to lottery teams.

I hope the Spurs don't blow it up. I hope we stick with the team and we add pieces slowly. But this is the time we start taking projects. Hope for potential. Both from the draft and from FA. Wishing that someone develops into a star player.
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#27 » by Donald Kaufman » Fri May 6, 2011 9:41 am

Why is a Celtics fan telling us what we need to do? He needs to worry about his own set of senior citizens.
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#28 » by Mykhyn » Fri May 13, 2011 11:10 pm

I would love to see the spurs do whatever it takes to get a fundamentally sound bigman for duncan to mentor for his last couple years. I feel like if Duncan decided to take an above average bigman under his wing he could extend the spurs relevancy past his own career.
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#29 » by Blame Rasho » Fri May 13, 2011 11:51 pm

Cklbmk wrote:I would love to see the spurs do whatever it takes to get a fundamentally sound bigman for duncan to mentor for his last couple years. I feel like if Duncan decided to take an above average bigman under his wing he could extend the spurs relevancy past his own career.



Via Pop

Q: As far as improving the roster, what are your offseason priorities? Younger and more athletic?

A: I feel good about this group, knowing full well if there’s a trade that makes us younger and more athletic, fine, but a lot of athletes can’t play basketball. Young and athletic has to come with some sort of a skill. Young and athletic is easy. I can go get five from the D-League who are young and athletic.

We’d like to find another skilled athlete to add to the mix. Our biggest need right now — depending on what ’Dyess does (with retirement) — is a starting four (power forward). We need to know who is going to be our starting four. Is it DeJuan Blair? Is it (Tiago) Splitter, where Timmy’s the four and Splitter’s the five? Is it Matt Bonner? Do you need to make a trade? We’re investigating all those areas.
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#30 » by Pacerlive » Mon May 16, 2011 7:19 pm

Rondo2Hondo wrote:1. Trade Tony Parker
2. Trade Manu Ginobili
OPTION A - To the Pacers for Paul George, James Posey (expirer) and contract filler.
OPTION B - To the Nets for a trade exception, Damion James and a future 1st round pick.
Both of these deals improves the Spurs athleticism on the wing, while also addressing their salary cap problems.


First off salaries don't have to match so we can do the deal without Posey who sucks anyway but whatever. Since Bird was retained Paul George won't go anywhere especially not for an aging Ginobili who will be Rip Hamiltion IMO of the spurs. Minus the attitude of course.

The best the Pacers would offer the Spurs for Ginobili would be Hans and maybe our first pick. Out side of that I don't see it happening.
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#31 » by Jajwanda » Fri May 20, 2011 9:16 am

What would you say if I told you the Lakers would be interested in both. I know you hate the idea of seeing them in our uniform, but it would make for a heck of a story.
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#32 » by TRWJINC » Sat May 21, 2011 10:59 am

Cj Watson
Kyle Korver
Keith Bogans
Charlotte 1st rounder

for

Manu
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#33 » by co_laper » Sat May 21, 2011 3:33 pm

Uhm.. Okay... add Richard Jefferson, George Hill, and Tiago Splitter for Noah, Deng, and Rose and you got yourself a deal homie...
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#34 » by Blame Rasho » Sat May 21, 2011 4:43 pm

TRWJINC wrote:Cj Watson
Kyle Korver
Keith Bogans
Charlotte 1st rounder

for

Manu


No.
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#35 » by Nolan » Sat May 21, 2011 5:00 pm

TRWJINC wrote:Cj Watson
Kyle Korver
Keith Bogans
Charlotte 1st rounder

for

Manu


Umm no just no.
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Re: Time to blow it up 

Post#36 » by Black_Jack21 » Thu May 26, 2011 1:30 pm

was that a serious trade request...

We'll trade Manu: slashing, jumpshooting, fan fave, gold medal, former allstar guard, good for near enough to 20 points a game

for

A 3rd string PG,
A half decent perimeter defender
and
A guy that has zero game outside of spotting up from the 3 point line

Really?
If you combine their production together you still don't get Manu
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