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GT: Spurs vs. Suns 

Post#1 » by Nolan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:36 pm

When: 10:00 PM ET, March 27, 2012
Where: US Airways Center, Phoenix, AZ

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Starting Lineups:

Spurs:
PG - Tony Parker
SG - Daniel Green
SF - Kawhi Leonard
PF - Tim Duncan
C - DeJuan Blair

PG - Steve Nash
SG - Jared Dudley
SF - Grant Hill
PF - Channing Frye
C - Marcin Gortat

At the moment the Suns playoff hopes are very much alive with them only being a game and half out of the 8th spot in the west so i'm expecting this to be a tough one tonight.

The key to this as its been with the Suns for years is stopping Nash off the pick and roll.

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Post#2 » by SinJackal » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:56 am

Really looking forward to watching this one. The Spurs' defense has been solid for the last few games; ever since we got Diaw. Though, Hornets and 76ers aren't exactly offensive juggernauts, so I'm curious to see how we do against the Suns.

OKC plays @Portland tonight, but the Blazers have been so bad lately, I can't even consider them a "tough game" anymore. Doubt we have a shot at picking up a game tonight. Stranger things have happened though.
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Re: GT: Spurs vs. Suns 

Post#3 » by franktony » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:54 am

Suns are playing well lately.

Looking forward to watch Mills

Hopefully we can get a win in PHX
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Post#4 » by co_laper » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:34 pm

Mills only played 4 minutes so that's not even enough time for him to be judged for one game.

The good thing I could take away from his 4 minutes of play is that he doesn't look lost out there. Good thing he knows Brett Brown I guess. I would say he looked better than Corey did here because atleast he was quicker and he stretches the floor. When he played with Manu, I guess it's a good thing he can shoot the three because he stretches the floor where as Joseph doesn't.

Jax didn't play, but I am starting to feel that I like the acquisition of Diaw a lot more. Kawhi has done a great job at SF and at this point I really think Kawhi should remain a starter for the whole season. But it's Diaw's game that has added a different dimension to our team. Lately, I've found myself getting somewhat excited when Diaw is in the game.
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Post#5 » by Donald Kaufman » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:23 pm

Well Diaw's a skilled big, and aside from TD we've been lacking that for years.
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Post#6 » by SinJackal » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:29 pm

Well we definitely sputtered defensively today. I figured we might since the Suns are a good offensive team. Much like the Thunder, we can lock down bad offensive teams, but we're still human against good ones. Oh well, still won @Phoenix. I think that's 12 wins on the road out of our last 14. So much for SA sucking on the road.

We also now have the best record for any western conference team post all star game. And with our 12-1 run right before the all star break, I think it's safe to say we've been the best team in the league for the last 2 months. Only 5 losses! 26-5 since January 30th. And other than the Portland loss, none of our losses have been by a very wide margin either. All that despite so many players mising games for rest and injury recovery.

Can't wait 'til the team's finally healthy all at once and together. The playoff schedule is literally easier than the reg season. I think it'll be easier to stay healthy, and even if we aren't, we seemed used to mixing and matching pieces this year, so I'm not worried about the first round this time unless we draw Dallas and only partially worried if we draw LAC. Though I wouldn't mind going through LAC, LAL, OKC, then Miami for a title though. Knocking off all the overhyped teams along the way. Would be a pretty sweet run. Though I guess I do also kinda want us to play Memphis in round 1 and make them look really bad.


co_laper wrote:Jax didn't play, but I am starting to feel that I like the acquisition of Diaw a lot more. Kawhi has done a great job at SF and at this point I really think Kawhi should remain a starter for the whole season. But it's Diaw's game that has added a different dimension to our team. Lately, I've found myself getting somewhat excited when Diaw is in the game.


Completely agree. I like Diaw a lot despite the same issue Bobcats fans apparently had with him (not shooting even when he's pretty open), and subsequently not making his jumpers enough. But I'd rather have a passive offensive guy who's not an efficient scorer that plays well everywhere else than an aggressive offensive guy with low efficiency that doesn't play that well in other aspects.

Leonard's definitely been looking great lately too. It's just too bad he can't convert on all the wide open 3pt looks he's getting. That's my only real complaint about him.

But man, for a very young 15th pick, he's damn good. If he works hard at his game, he's going to be a stud.
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Post#7 » by batmana » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:25 pm

SinJackal wrote:Leonard's definitely been looking great lately too. It's just too bad he can't convert on all the wide open 3pt looks he's getting. That's my only real complaint about him.


While that is somewhat true you have to realize he didn't have this shot in college. Basically people knew about his hustle and about his toughness but the biggest concern was the shot. I see that he has improved his shooting a lot and that he has added an NBA-range 3 which is tremendous for us. He certainly makes more than people would have thought on draft night.

As for Diaw, it's probably that we are a perfect situation for him where he won't be needed to score since we have plenty of good scorers.
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Post#8 » by SinJackal » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:08 am

If anyone watched the Sun's broadcast of the game, their comments at the end were kinda funny. One of the guys was like, "I feel sorry for the team that has to play San Antonio in the first round". :lol:


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SinJackal wrote:Leonard's definitely been looking great lately too. It's just too bad he can't convert on all the wide open 3pt looks he's getting. That's my only real complaint about him.


While that is somewhat true you have to realize he didn't have this shot in college. Basically people knew about his hustle and about his toughness but the biggest concern was the shot. I see that he has improved his shooting a lot and that he has added an NBA-range 3 which is tremendous for us. He certainly makes more than people would have thought on draft night.

As for Diaw, it's probably that we are a perfect situation for him where he won't be needed to score since we have plenty of good scorers.


The only reason I bring it up is because of an RJ interview about it on Spurs.com. Apparently RJ talked to Kawhi in the offseason and told him he needed to work on his 3pt shot, especially from the corner, and Kawhi responded by saying, "I don't have to, I'll just play my game". So he comes in, is asked to take a bunch of threes since our SFs get a lot of open threes, and unsurprisingly isn't making them at a good rate since he didn't work on them (something else touched on in the interview).

I get that about Diaw, but I still think having 4 scoring option and 1 dead spot kinda blows. I don't expect Diaw to blow anyone's doors off with dribble drives or badass post moves, but he should at least be able to hit an open jumper like Boner, Green, etc.
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Post#9 » by batmana » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:56 am

Well, I think Diaw is perfectly capable of making an open jumper. In Charlotte they were expecting him to basically be their go-to guy.

Exactly about the chat RJ had with Kawhi, I didn't know about Kawhi's response but I'd say he has worked on his shot and especially from the corners it's going down at a good rate IMO.
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Post#10 » by co_laper » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:23 am

Got a link to that interview? I remember reading Jefferson giving Kawhi some pointers, but I don't remember anything about Kawhi not accepting RJ's advice. If anything, that makes Kawhi sounds like he's uncoachable and unwilling to listen to criticism.
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Post#11 » by Donald Kaufman » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:04 pm

Leonard said no such thing. Consider the source.
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Post#12 » by SinJackal » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:42 am

co_laper wrote:Got a link to that interview? I remember reading Jefferson giving Kawhi some pointers, but I don't remember anything about Kawhi not accepting RJ's advice. If anything, that makes Kawhi sounds like he's uncoachable and unwilling to listen to criticism.


Took awhile for me to find it since I had to go through a bunch of RJ vids, but here it is:

http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/111226_jefferson

The quote if you don't wanna watch:

I tried to tell Kawhi this summer, I was like listen, 'you need to get extremely, extremely comfortable in those corners.' He didn't really listen to me. Annnd, i was like yeahhh, you know, you keep workin' on your one dribble, you keep working on your pick and roll. . .at the end of the day you're going to be shooting corner threes. Just like I am, get real comfortable and be ready.


RJ was trying to play it off it didn't mean much since he didn't want to just throw the guy under the bus, but it was fairly obvious he was telling the truth since he was pretty specific about it. And they indeed did practice together in the off season with Chase Budinger, so I believe that he probably did have that convo with him. And yeah, I agree that it's a little bit annoying if that really happened. I don't think he's uncoachable or anything, but it definitely seems like he's a little too assured of himself. He'd be a much larger asset right now if he was more consistent from three. Good thing is though, he's just 20. Plenty of time to change his attitude and his jump shot. He's definitely got the size and the talent.


Donald Kaufman wrote:Leonard said no such thing. Consider the source.


If you were refering to me, you need to let your baseless, ignorant bias against me go already. I've posted nothing but facts since I've been on this site. I've not posted a single incorrect piece of information even once, feel free to even try to find one on any section of the forum. So before you continue with those pathetic comments in the future, at least consider being an honest troll rather than just the worthless lying troll who never posts anything worth reading that you already are.
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Post#13 » by co_laper » Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:03 pm

SinJackal wrote:
Took awhile for me to find it since I had to go through a bunch of RJ vids, but here it is:

http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/111226_jefferson

The quote if you don't wanna watch:

I tried to tell Kawhi this summer, I was like listen, 'you need to get extremely, extremely comfortable in those corners.' He didn't really listen to me. Annnd, i was like yeahhh, you know, you keep workin' on your one dribble, you keep working on your pick and roll. . .at the end of the day you're going to be shooting corner threes. Just like I am, get real comfortable and be ready.


RJ was trying to play it off it didn't mean much since he didn't want to just throw the guy under the bus, but it was fairly obvious he was telling the truth since he was pretty specific about it. And they indeed did practice together in the off season with Chase Budinger, so I believe that he probably did have that convo with him. And yeah, I agree that it's a little bit annoying if that really happened. I don't think he's uncoachable or anything, but it definitely seems like he's a little too assured of himself. He'd be a much larger asset right now if he was more consistent from three. Good thing is though, he's just 20. Plenty of time to change his attitude and his jump shot. He's definitely got the size and the talent.


Wow. I mean wow. Well, you know.. I can only say that it's not a plus on my book. And yeah, I believe RJ is telling the truth.
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Post#14 » by SinJackal » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:11 pm

co_laper wrote:Wow. I mean wow. Well, you know.. I can only say that it's not a plus on my book. And yeah, I believe RJ is telling the truth.


Told ya' man. I wouldn't post something that isn't true. :P Just took awhile to find it again, that's why I've never just posted the vid before. I watched that vid was really early in the season. . .it's the main reason I've been pretty critical of Kawhi about his inconsistent 3pt shot.

I like the guy though, he's clearly a talent, but if he worked harder on his shot, nobody can seriously say it wouldn't be better right now. I don't expect it to be as good as RJ's or something since being over 40% is basically elite 3pt status. If you take out 2 of Kawhi's "lucky shooting" games (he was 3/3 once and 3/4 once, just the other night), it's just 33.7% on basically all WAY wide open looks. You and I both know he won't take a 3 if he can read the numbers on another player's jersey.

I guess I just imagine how high that # might be if he actually put a lot of time into it. We sorta need threes out of the SF spot since the Spurs' system really opens them up for it. We're doing okay so far though, but I'd like to see someone be able to step up and hit that shot since RJ's gone. Whether that means more for Neal, or some combination of Green/Jackson/Leonard/Diaw hitting it at a high 30% rate, either way I'd be happy.
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Post#15 » by Donald Kaufman » Mon Apr 2, 2012 2:10 am

SinJackal wrote:The only reason I bring it up is because of an RJ interview about it on Spurs.com. Apparently RJ talked to Kawhi in the offseason and told him he needed to work on his 3pt shot, especially from the corner, and Kawhi responded by saying, "I don't have to, I'll just play my game". So he comes in, is asked to take a bunch of threes since our SFs get a lot of open threes, and unsurprisingly isn't making them at a good rate since he didn't work on them (something else touched on in the interview).


Nothing in the link you provided where Leonard said "I don't have to, I'll just play my game." That's what I was calling bull on, and it turns out I was right, unless you can supply a link showing me otherwise.

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