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Kawhi Out For The Season 

Post#1 » by imagump1313 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:30 am

Its been quiet around here for the break but I was hoping to come and see news like "Kawhi and Gay to play Friday"

Well that's not the case it seems
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249043/Spurs-Expect-Kawhi-Leonard-To-Miss-Remainder-Of-Season

Horrible news to say the least.
Where do we go from here?
I was thinking for awhile that we were somewhat playing it safe this year and hopefully going for it next year, but now this seals it.
Give the young guys a bunch of time now and see what happens.
I didn't realize we were only 3 games ahead of the 8th seed. Do we actually tank it from here and not tell the world like Dallas?
This sucks :(

Here are Pop's comments:
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Post#2 » by G R E Y » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:48 am

He's been medically cleared to play for a while now apparently, so the decision to not play has been Kawhi's. He went to New York with some Spurs staff for ten days for a second opinion before/around All-Star break and practiced some there (as per Woj). I get that not everyone has Larry Legend's pain threshold and can play with two pulled Achilles heels and a back that had a compressed nerve which eventually required surgery (it was also Bird's decision, by the way, to play, despite doctors' opinions).

It's easy to read more into this than what we are hearing, because we've been hearing things sparingly and when we do they keep changing. I sense an undercurrent of frustration by the team (and I don't blame them), but they're steering a wide berth away from criticizing him and from the ensuing drama it would cause. It is what it is as far as Kawhi's choice is concerned.

So this declaration of sorts is a definite shift, you can feel it, a rally cry for the guys who've been battling their hearts out all season long. It's like enough already, enough of this will he? won't he? business, we're forging ahead with everyone else who's gotten us here. Jabari Young has flat out stated that Kawhi is rehabbing and has March set as a possible return date, but Pop seems over it either way. He has to lead the guys forward without looking over their shoulders all the time. I agree 100%.

What we do know is who we have ready, willing and able to go, together, as a team, and while I wish Kawhi well, I'd rather focus on our team filled with players who've been valiant facing waves of challenges all season long. All my respect and support. GO SPURS!
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Post#3 » by imagump1313 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:35 pm

What concerns me more than anything is people saying he is at odds with the team now because of all of this. I'm sure both sides are extremely frustrated at this point but I just don't see his personality as one to say "FU guys I want out". I'm actually more concerned right now about his relationship with the franchise than I am about the injury.

This could be Pop just trying to clear the air in his own way. Letting the team know they need to not worry and suck it up, the Calvary isn't coming. We are moving forward with what we have. And to let Kawhi know its ok to sit it out if you cant play. We want you long term, don't kill yourself for this season and risk this lingering even longer.
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Post#4 » by Nolan » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:52 pm

Well this sucks. But I think most of us knew this was coming.

This is a weird tricky injury and yes he's been cleared, but cleared in the sense that playing isn't going to make the injury any worse. Dealing with pain is the issue now and that's tricky.

Hope he continues to make progress.
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Re: Kawhi Out For The Season 

Post#5 » by G R E Y » Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:24 pm

imagump1313 wrote:What concerns me more than anything is people saying he is at odds with the team now because of all of this. I'm sure both sides are extremely frustrated at this point but I just don't see his personality as one to say "FU guys I want out". I'm actually more concerned right now about his relationship with the franchise than I am about the injury.

This could be Pop just trying to clear the air in his own way. Letting the team know they need to not worry and suck it up, the Calvary isn't coming. We are moving forward with what we have. And to let Kawhi know its ok to sit it out if you cant play. We want you long term, don't kill yourself for this season and risk this lingering even longer.

I agree with your first point about the speculation-driven drama. Th GB is an almost unbearable read with conjecture substituted for lack of info, and even in the face of stated info! For instance, the decision to try to play Kawhi every other game or whatever it was to ease him back was made by everyone involved - Pop, RC, medical staff, Kawhi himself, who knows who else; the decision to then sit him out from games 'indefinitely' was also made by all involved discussing it; now when Kawhi went to NYC for a second second opinion (I though he already got one around the time his rehab was declared 'indefinite') he did it with Spurs staff on hand. But the narrative is oh he's on his own going against what the Spurs want because they screwed up his rehab. How do we know it wasn't his deviance from what was prescribed that contributed to this prolonged state? I mean, given the history of the franchise with player injuries, you have to give the Spurs the benefit of the doubt. As for a rift, well, I have no idea, but if you and I feel frustrated, imagine how those directly involved feel; I just don't buy the one-sided blame the franchise / Kawhi doesn't owe anybody anything slant.

As for your second paragraph, see I read the Pop tea leaves a bit differently. After Kawhi's last game, he said he wanted to string a few games together, that he talked to vets who told him to take his time, be it two-three weeks or even a month. That was around Jan. 19/20. Then he got shut down 'indefinitely'. Pop at that point explained he didn't expect that to mean for the rest of the season. Fast forward a month, I think the expectation was that Kawhi would at least try to return after the AS break. That's speculation on my part, but it's a month after he shut it down so fits the timeline Kawhi mentioned (not that that is set in stone). Also, Jeff McDonald mentioned that Pop had a week to think about what he'd say about this, and Pop chooses his words and message carefully.

So now the message is a little different, but the shift in it is important. Now the news is that Kawhi has been medically cleared for some time, and the choice is his whether to continue to sit out / seek more medical opinions or try to play. My sense is that Pop has drawn a line here: yes the Spurs are here for Kawhi, but the Spurs aren't about one player. It's never been that way, and given the leeway this injury has been given, I think they're sort of looking to see what effort they're getting back. There's some aspect of reciprocity that feels like it's not being met here, and contrary to social media speculation, I think it's the Spurs who are expecting Kawhi to step up a bit, who feel disappointed in his decision, not the other way around.

Again, speculation on my part, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Spurs are now saying the choice is Kawhi's; yes he's a super quiet guy, but he has ownership of this situation, too. He's a professional basketball player who is contributing to conjecture by letting Spurs do all the talking. He's got a voice, and if he doesn't use it, not the best look. Pop is also saying, I think, that Kawhi can't just show up for the last few games of the season or whatever and just expect to be fitted in just in time for the playoffs with guys who've been trying to make it work and found a way to mesh. This is the line drawn, an expectation of a certain give and take. I don't see that as unreasonable; I think it's only fair.

So somewhere between Larry Legend's freakish ability to take pain and Pop's gold line, "No one is bigger than the team. If you can't do things our way, you're not getting time here and we don't care who you are" (not stated in relation to the Kawhi situation specifically, but a solid general rule of thumb nonetheless) is where this give and take will play out. So the ball has been decidedly thrown in Kawhi's court. Time for him to do something with it.
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Re: Kawhi Out For The Season 

Post#6 » by imagump1313 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:47 pm

Yes, I can see your point. If this decision not to play is entirely Kawhi's but the team seems to think he's able, Pop might be trying to get into Kawhi's head by saying "oh well, If you cant play we will just move on" possibly lighting a fire under him.
There is soo much to speculate simply because neither side says very much. This is ok with me though. One of the reasons I love San Antonio is because everything with this team isnt a soap opera like everywhere else.
The main topic on NBA Radio today was what teams would be willing to trade and what players would SA want in return to move Kwahi. Sheesh!! A little premature.
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Post#7 » by chris4celts » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:33 pm

I am configuring trade packages for Kawhi from Boston.
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Post#8 » by G R E Y » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:18 pm

“I just need to get my rhythm back, my wind back,” Gay said. “This training staff has been great with me. What I really have to work on is getting my timing back. Everything else is taken care of.


https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Notebook-Slumping-Spurs-gear-up-for-reinvented-12706384.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social

There's an outlier here. Just saying...
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Post#9 » by Ballings7 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:38 am

chris4celts wrote:I am configuring trade packages for Kawhi from Boston.


Okay,

We'll take Tatum and 1st rounder, plus Jaylen Brown and some filler, off your hands in that situation.
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Post#10 » by Ballings7 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:41 am

GREY 1769 wrote:
“I just need to get my rhythm back, my wind back,” Gay said. “This training staff has been great with me. What I really have to work on is getting my timing back. Everything else is taken care of.


https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Notebook-Slumping-Spurs-gear-up-for-reinvented-12706384.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social

There's an outlier here. Just saying...


Wouldn't be surprised to see Gay as the starting SF soon... 1.5wk-2wk out.
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Post#11 » by G R E Y » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:48 am

Ballings7 wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:
“I just need to get my rhythm back, my wind back,” Gay said. “This training staff has been great with me. What I really have to work on is getting my timing back. Everything else is taken care of.


https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Notebook-Slumping-Spurs-gear-up-for-reinvented-12706384.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social

There's an outlier here. Just saying...


Wouldn't be surprised to see Gay as the starting SF soon... 1.5wk-2wk out.

He's been aggressive and looking for his shot in limited time back, which is a good sign. His role is to make shots and he has not been tentative, but you can see he's still getting his legs under him which is understandable. He's been working hard to get back, and though his shot isn't falling quite yet, he has also been defensively responsible. His length bothered the Cavs today. A welcome addition back in just the right time.
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Re: Kawhi Out For The Season 

Post#12 » by imagump1313 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:07 am

Ok so now Kawhi is trying to come back in March...
I guess there is still hope :o

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249099/Kawhi-Leonard-Could-Return-In-March

Fingers crossed!

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