Trading Ginobli

[Blame Rasho]

There is no way that the Raptors would trade Bosh for Manu. It is a pipedream. If they are going to trade they want someone with years on his contract or someone who is just as talented as Bosh... i.e Amare if they are expiring contracts.

[Black_Jack21]

yeah zero chance on the Raps biting on a Bosh for Manu trade. They could get so much more than Ginobili for Bosh, esp considering Manu's health concerns.

[deeps6x]

Ginobili is supposed to be healed by October, so if he was to sign a 3 year extension for something reasonable this summer, I think Toronto would take a deal this summer. They are loaded at PF and need SG/SF players badly. A resigned Manu would be a star that isn't leaving for a few years. If the contract is good, like 10 or 12 mill per year, I think they would jump at it.

[co_laper]

Pipe dream. Seriously man.. even if this was some sort of Fantasy League, a Manu for Bosh trade would still get vetoed.

Colangelo can't be that dumb. Even us Spurs fans would drool.

Hell, forget about adding Oberto and fillers like a pick. I'd give Manu along with ATLEAST 5 1st round picks for the next 5 years for Chris Bosh. With Bosh and Parker, we'd be set to be title contenders for another decade. I'd trade 5 years of late 1st round picks to get Bosh.

[deeps6x]

I think you are overvaluing Bosh's trade value to the raptors. I don't think they get 90 cents on the dollar for him. More like 65-70. I think an extended Manu++ for Bosh would be the best deal they could get. While I highly doubt he would bolt SA in 2010 (cuz playing with Parker and a couple more years with Duncan! How could he leave?) it is still a remote possibility. Maybe he became REALLY good friends with Wade or LeBron...

But if you can think of a better, more fair in your opinion trade, with three teams, I'd love to hear it.

[SMRattler]

Nothing to to with loyalty or anything personal, this is just business.

Spurs are not extending Manu this summer because they want to see what he's worth. He hasn't been healthy in a while, they don't know what kind of player he will be again when/if healthy. They don't know how much they want to invest in him or (if he looks broken down for a third year) if they want to invest at all in him.

More likely the Spurs ride this year out and see if he's healthy.

If he's healthy, they want to see him play a full year and see if he can play 82 game season plus playoffs and still play his best when it counts the most (May, June).

If the answer is yes, they'll give him a fair offer.

If the answer is no, they'll let him walk and take their money elsewhere.

He's not getting traded before they see what he has or doesn't have. And no other team is going to trade for him without seeing what he has first.

[co_laper]

I know Parker's the youngest and have the most value right now, but man.. of our big 3, I love Duncan and Manu the most. I personally even love Bowen more than Parker. I don't ever want to see Duncan, Manu and Bowen in another uniform.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

see the wiretap? Any inside info from you guys?
Wizards Make Offer For Ginobili

[brassviews]

I'm hearing #5, Blatche, and James

Not an insider or anything. >>>> Email

[Donkey McDonkerton]

I'm hearing #5, Blatche, and James

Not an insider or anything. >>>> Email

Thanks. Seems like it was an offer that happened some time ago and not really going to happen, just interested in what it was.

[Blame Rasho]

I'm hearing #5, Blatche, and James

Not an insider or anything. >>>> Email

Thanks. Seems like it was an offer that happened some time ago and not really going to happen, just interested in what it was.

I can't see the Wizards offering that.... it is alot to give up for a gimpy Manu who might only play for one year.

[brassviews]

Hill may also be involve according to a new email.

But yeah, I have to agree. Too much to give up for someone who is coming off an injury.

[Blame Rasho]

Well if I am the Wizards and I make this trade... look at the line up

Haywood/McGee
Jamison/Songila
Butler/McGuire
Manu/Young
Arenas/Hill/Critton

Solid... perhaps good enough to get into the 2nd round but they are really weak at the 4/5. Manu would be effective there because he doesn't demand the ball all that much and can come off the bench if need be.

Who can they get if they keep the 5th pick? There is a good chance that Harden will be picked up early. There is Curry but you have Arenas on your team. Two defensive liabilities. There is Evans and DeRozan but I don't think they are ready to be consistent contributors.

[Benjammin]

Wizards fan here. While I think Manu has been a fabulous player, his injuries are a major concern plus he will turn 32 in July. If the Wizards are determined to trade for Manu, this is what I'd like them to give up. Please comment from a Spurs perspective.

5th pick
Mike James (expiring 2010)
Deshawn Stevenson
Oleksei Pecherov (filler)

for
Manu Ginobili
George Hill

Notice there is no Blatche offered in this deal. If this is a deal-breaker, then perhaps there is a way to tweak it to include Blatche but give the Wizards a little more value as well. I lived in New Braunfels for a year so the Spurs are my second favorite team. I don't know that I would make this trade unless I was confident that Manu is close to being done and/or there is someone available at the 5th pick the Spurs believe will be a high quality player.

[khilani003]

Is there any interest in a Michael Redd for Ginobili swap (adding in necessary filler around those two of course)?

[khilani003]

Redd & Malik Allen for Ginobili, Bowen, and Bonner seems to work. Swap Bonner for Finley if he picks up his option...

[Benjammin]

Redd & Malik Allen for Ginobili, Bowen, and Bonner seems to work. Swap Bonner for Finley if he picks up his option...

Are you a Spurs fan or a Bucks fan? I imagine the Bucks would be very glad to get out from under Redd's deal, but I highly doubt the Spurs would want to take it on.

[khilani003]

I'm a Bucks fan, but hopefully I'm not screwing the Spurs - cause I've enjoyed watching them for years and would love to see them continue their dominance.

This trade would basically swap two currently injured wing players. Redd with Duncan could be scary.

Maybe a RJ / Alexander for Manu / Kurt Thomas would work, but it seems the potential of a resurgent Redd would be intriguing.

[bishopospurs]

If the trade is indeed for Mike James, Andray Blatche, and the fifth overall for manu and hill that is hard to say no to for me. Mike James is a capable back up point gaurd, though I really like Hill. The thing is Hill will never be the starter in San Antonio we would part with him eventually, and we get two youthful players in return.
Blatche is the deal breaker, a big who is only 23 and has proven he can play. The thing is that number 5 pick would need to come in right away and give is more than Ginobli has the past few years. There is so much uncertainty in the top five we could walk away with a real contributer future corner stone, and I would love to see what Buford and Pop do with a pick that high, at has been at least 12 years since we saw the top ten. I don't want to be the doubter here, but Manu has looked kind of past his prime. The only way that happens realistically is if Pop and Buford know who they want with that fifth pick now and are sure they can land him.

[what would jack bauer do?]

Not too sure of Manu's recovery status, but I think he's being severely undervalued in these trade ideas. Even at 32 he's a player that has a lot left in the tank.