Trade Duncan?

Hawaii · Post #41 » by **Hawaii** » Sat Sep 5, 2009 3:51 am

The Spurs should find a really good young center and have Duncan do what Robinson did. Of course, Robinson and Duncan are rare gems, but I believe it's a reeeally good way to switch team leaders.

co_laper · Post #42 » by **co_laper** » Sat Sep 5, 2009 11:06 am

If only it's that easy to get a good young center to take the offensive load from Duncan.

IMO, Duncan has started that transition. Doing what Robinson did. Over the years, Duncan has let Parker took over the scoring load while he focused on defense.

Donald Kaufman · Post #43 » by **Donald Kaufman** » Sat Sep 5, 2009 1:12 pm

Hawaii wrote:The Spurs should find a really good young center and have Duncan do what Robinson did. Of course, Robinson and Duncan are rare gems, but I believe it's a reeeally good way to switch team leaders.

Maybe I should just go and marry Megan Fox.

I'd love to get an elite big to step in and take over from TD, but where exactly are we getting one of these?

Excellence · Post #44 » by **Excellence** » Sat Sep 5, 2009 8:38 pm

Duncan is the last of his kind

He will retire a Spur.

co_laper · Post #45 » by **co_laper** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 3:05 pm

I think Manu will be the last. I believe Duncan will retire before Manu given his age.

Marc · Post #46 » by **Marc** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 7:57 pm

co_laper wrote:I think Manu will be the last. I believe Duncan will retire before Manu given his age.

I think only Duncan and Parker are untradeable. I am a Spurs and Manu fan and i could see Manu being traded for the right offer or him going elsewhere in the off-season if a contender goes after him with a long-term contract.

Then again, i think it is likely for him to stay with the Spurs i wouldn't say it is locked.

Also, Manu is only a year older than Duncan. :lol:

Donald Kaufman · Post #47 » by **Donald Kaufman** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 9:21 am

TD was born in 1976, Manu in '77.

co_laper · Post #48 » by **co_laper** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:39 am

For some reason, I always thought Manu is 2 years younger than Duncan... Too much Dynasty mode perhaps...

Anyways, I think Duncan retires before Manu. And I really don't think Tony Parker retires a Spur. I have this gut feeling that Parker moves within 5 years after Duncan retires.

For instance, Duncan retires in 2 years... Spurs have no title hopes. Parker will be our 29 year old franchise players but finish in the middle of the conference for the next 3 years. Parker, 32 yo, who is used to contending for championships, had enough of it. Parker part ways either via trade or FA. Spurs will be in rebuilding mode and trying to acquire youth. Parker will look for championship contenders.

I just can't see Parker being satisfied with numerous 1st round exits after having so much success in his early careers. Unless ofcourse if we get a miracle and somehow get another Tim Duncan or something that keeps us in the title race.

Donald Kaufman · Post #49 » by **Donald Kaufman** » Tue Sep 8, 2009 9:50 am

Yeah I don't see Parker sticking around after TD/Manu/Pop goes, for sure. He's already got the rings at 26, what more could he hope for?

SApuro_ · Post #50 » by **SApuro_** » Wed Sep 9, 2009 6:33 am

I agree. So much more money for tony out there than what San Antonio can offer(endorsements). He has far exceeded my expectations and I think this year will be his best. Spurs were fortunate to find him at the 28th spot but unless we can replace TD with a big man superstar tony walks.

jade_hippo · Post #51 » by **jade_hippo** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:45 am

just to play devils advocate. the wolves thought the same of Garnett, especially after the WCF run. 1 injury and 1 bad attitude ruined the team for the next decade and Garnett was shipped out. I hope it doesn't happen, but consider Parker goes down with a massive injury and needs microfactrue and Manu becomes disgruntled over his bench status and the team toils down with the Kings and Griz and Wolves for a year or two. Duncan won't look as untouchable as he does now, losing covers past accomplishments with a rather thick fog. I am going to assume he will not drop off much in the next few years and will stay fairly productive and valuable into his mid-late 30's due to his style of play.

Donald Kaufman · Post #52 » by **Donald Kaufman** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:01 am

I see where you're coming from, anything can happen - but in his tenure in SA, Manu has never expressed frustration over his role on the team. He could start on any team in the NBA, but his role on the Spurs has pretty much always been energy off the bench. He plays starters minutes anyway, so whether he starts or not he still gets significant burn.

I still can't see TD getting traded. He was the main man for 4 title runs and counting, KG was never able to deliver that to Minny (the T-Wolves front office blunders are the topic for a whole other thread).

But hey, I never thought I'd see Hakeem in a Raptors uniform, or Ewing get traded to the Sonics.

co_laper · Post #53 » by **co_laper** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:33 pm

Well Wolves wasn't the same situation. I think the Garnett trade was inevitable when the Wolves started rebuilding and your franchise player is 30-31 year old. Garnett still had 5-6 years in him to play at a high level and it's obvious parting ways is the best solution for the both of them. This is a situation that I predict will happen with Tony when the team starts rebuilding and there we are with a 29-30 year old Tony Parker.

Marc · Post #54 » by **Marc** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:02 am

Garnett won 0 titles with TWolves. END OF DISCUSSION.

jade_hippo · Post #55 » by **jade_hippo** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:57 am

Hakeem was the Rockets AND won a championship, Malone stands as the greatest pure power forward ever and is one of 2 reasons basketball is still in Utah, Jordan made the Bulls with 6 rings and the greatest careers arguably ever, no way any of them don't retire for their respective teams. Humor me for 2 seconds and actually read the hypothetical situation. 10-72 makes MVP's and championships and chemistry fade fast. Garnett wasn't traded for the sole reason that the wolves never won a championship. END OF DISCUSSION.

co_laper · Post #56 » by **co_laper** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:47 am

Well, here's one situation I can see the Spurs trade Duncan.

Let's say Manu came back 50%. He lost quickness or whatever. He's just average now. The Spurs got swept in the 1st round convingly. Spurs decide it's time to rebuild. Duncan's too old. Jefferson an expiring contract. Manu a FA.

Duncan, 34 years old, will feel he's not ready to retire just yet but he's not gonna want to end his career playing for rebuilding teams. So the Spurs start their rebuilding mode. Move Duncan and get some youth. Move Jefferson. Let Manu go. Trade Dice to whoever wants him.

It can definitely happen if things go south very quickly.

Marc · Post #57 » by **Marc** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:35 am

jade_hippo wrote:Hakeem was the Rockets AND won a championship, Malone stands as the greatest pure power forward ever and is one of 2 reasons basketball is still in Utah, Jordan made the Bulls with 6 rings and the greatest careers arguably ever, no way any of them don't retire for their respective teams. Humor me for 2 seconds and actually read the hypothetical situation. 10-72 makes MVP's and championships and chemistry fade fast. Garnett wasn't traded for the sole reason that the wolves never won a championship. END OF DISCUSSION.

If Garnett won a title, he wouldn't have been traded. Hakeem won 2 titles.

And Utah has nothing to do with Minnesota. Utah was always a contender and there was no possible way for them to improve by trading Malone or Stockton and there was MJ.

Seriously, Minnesota was a contender how many times? one?

Garnett is the best player in TWolves' history but there was no point to keep him. And a move was something both parts wanted.

jade_hippo · Post #58 » by **jade_hippo** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:25 am

so if next season the spurs went 14-68 and the year after went 12-70. there would be no talk of Duncan being traded, only praise of the titles he's won before? you failed to understand my point that previous accomplishments mean nothing when it comes to money and losing.

i'm going to go break my fingers now so this silly argument can end. you fail at hypothetical situations sir.

Marc · Post #59 » by **Marc** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:42 am

Alright, whatever you want but Duncan is going nowhere and this thread is pointless.

And Spurs never had a losing season with Duncan so i could care less about your hypothetical situations.

And even if they end up losing 70 games in each of the next 2 seasons, Duncan wont be traded because he would be 35 and Spurs would rather keep him and have him as a leader and mentor and have him to retire with the team he won 4 titles. And if you think otherwise, i could only say you don't know much about the Spurs.

Post #60 » by **kane2021** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:24 pm

You guys cant trade timmy. He has been a class act. I here where the OP is coming from but TD is one of those rare players that will never return equal value in a trade. The type of team that would want him would be a playoff team that needs that last part. But those teams usually dont have much in regards to young talent. You may end up with a solid prospect, good young vet and a expiring contract. Maybe a few mid to low 1st's. That would not even come close to replacing his presence in the locker room, let alone the floor.