SPURS 2024 OFF-SEASON INTEREST, TRADE, AND FA RUMOURS THREAD

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Not sure how Deni or Herb wouldn't be redundant with Hawks' Johnson emerging.

Anyway, for us, point stands about Risacher to Wiz making their SF future at least worth looking into.

If there's any consensus emerging it's that Sarr and Risacher are right now the top two picks in one order or another. Unless there's a trade that blows either team out of the water, and I don't think those do.

Trade expectations start with the 3rd pick and if it is made and Clingan is selected, suddenly a player drops and we're in a good position to get who we want or make a trade ourselves.

Seems like this draft is one in which tons of moves will be made.

Let me be more clear. It's Herb to Hawks to net #1, then trade down with #2 because Washington is rumored to prefer Sarr to Risarcher, to pickup Deni, he's not going to the Hawks. If Hawks preferred Deni to Herb they would cut NO's out the deal. With #2 & Deni NO's could satisfy Spurs asking price of 2 starters & your stated interest in #2 Knecht & Deni for 4 & 8.

Herb made 1st team defense, shot 40% on good volume & is paid 12m for the next 3-4yrs. Hawks prefer Herb for a variety of reasons sitting near or in the luxury tax. Hunter out with Murray allows Atlanta to extend BI without adding Salary.

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NO offense but I hope not, While I'd like Reed too, Sarr is my primary target.

I agree, if NO are trading up, it should be for Sarr. He is a perfect fit for NO and he can potentially be a replacement for Zion if he flames out. The only problem I see is that Sarr would be the perfect fit for Wizards as well so if NO wants to trade up it has to be for the no.1.

Like Grey, I think the Spurs would like to come out of the draft with one proven player and one high-upside swing at either SF and PG depending on who they get in a trade. That's why if the Spurs keep the 4, they should swing for the fences for the high-upside option.

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Still don't see us starting two rookies though... For either 1 or 3 it feels like a trade will come for experience and talent. I like Mikal too but it seems like Houston has a laser on him and he may be too costly. I'd be surprised if Risacher goes first. Sarr may be who Wiz prefer. But if Risacher goes 2nd, then I wonder what it would take to try and pry Deni away.

To me, a Spurs trade for Deni would be perfect. He has a decending contract starting at $15.5m which drops to around $12m in the fourth year. Both contract, talent level and fit is great. However, I think the Wizards would put a high price on that, at least the 8th pick simply because that combination of factors.

While Risacher may seem to be a duplication with Deni, he is also a good match giving them 4 years of rookie contract with assumed higher potential and he can fit next to another frenchman in Bilal. It might require a 3 way deal for the Spurs to get one of those 2.

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If there's any consensus emerging it's that Sarr and Risacher are right now the top two picks in one order or another. Unless there's a trade that blows either team out of the water, and I don't think those do.

Yep. I have given up hoping Risacher falls to 4. If the Spurs want him, they are going to have to trade up. I can live with that if they then trade for another mid-range PG (or maybe even keep Graham if the glimpses we saw last year are real).

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NO offense but I hope not, While I'd like Reed too, Sarr is my primary target.

I agree, if NO are trading up, it should be for Sarr. He is a perfect fit for NO and he can potentially be a replacement for Zion if he flames out. The only problem I see is that Sarr would be the perfect fit for Wizards as well so if NO wants to trade up it has to be for the no.1.

Like Grey, I think the Spurs would like to come out of the draft with one proven player and one high-upside swing at either SF and PG depending on who they get in a trade. That's why if the Spurs keep the 4, they should swing for the fences for the high-upside option.

Sometime when your close to something you don't see what you need to see. What is your value estimation of the (Murray, Hunter, #1) for (BI, Herb) trade ?

Do you think NO's has to add value ? & if so, what exactly ?

I think it's a tough pill to swallow to trade a proven Herb for an unproven Sarr in this draft but the #1 pick is still a #1 pick & Hawks fans value it. Does NO's have to add value in fairness as an outside opinion of the 2 teams ?.

Take into consideration BI is currently at 30m & can be traded without Hunter in the deal. Hunter is in the deal so Hawks can extend BI without adding salary, so there's a bit of salary dump with Hunter though he might have some player value. For NO's who are looking to extend Murphy, they don't really need Hunter but can utilize him off the bench or flip him at 20m/4yrs.

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Are Spurs interested in trading up for Sarr or is this a multiple team deal ?

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI Spurs FRP)

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, #8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #8)

NO's trade - (BI, Herb) for (Murray, Collins, #1)

Rusty gets his PG - Garland, 3&D value guard/wing Herb 12m/3yr value contract. Pop would love Herb on & off the court.

Spurs - Wemby, Herb, Garland
NO's - Sarr, Zion, Murray
Hawks - Maximize risk trading down for 4 & 8

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Do you think NO's has to add value ? & if so, what exactly ?

I think it's a tough pill to swallow to trade a proven Herb for an unproven Sarr in this draft but the #1 pick is still a #1 pick & Hawks fans value it. Does NO's have to add value in fairness as an outside opinion of the 2 teams ?.

Take into consideration BI is currently at 30m & can be traded without Hunter in the deal. Hunter is in the deal so Hawks can extend BI without adding salary, so there's a bit of salary dump with Hunter though he might have some player value. For NO's who are looking to extend Murphy, they don't really need Hunter but can utilize him off the bench or flip him at 20m/4yrs.

I was listening to TSR (a Spurs fan channel) and one of the Hawks channel discussing trades yesterday and it seemed that If we wanted to trade for Trae, the Hawks expected up to 5 first rounders and Vassell. Now I think if the Spurs hear that they would simply drop the phone but I think it may be indicative of how the Hawks value their assets. They were taken advantage of big time by the Spurs in the Murray trade and are looking to replicate that in any future trades to avoid looking foolish.

If that is representative of the Hawks management, then I think the road to trading for Sarr is going to be extremely hard and I don't know if the Pelicans would or should trade in that environment.

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Are Spurs interested in trading up for Sarr or is this a multiple team deal ?
No, I don't think the Spurs are interested in Sarr unless he comes cheaply

Cavs trade - (Garland) for (BI Spurs FRP)
I think that trade is viable depending on the number of FRP's but like I said, I don't like the salary the Spurs will be taking back

Spurs trade - (Keldon, Collins, #4, #8, FRP) for (Garland, Herb)
Possibly. On the high side of value but doable.

Hawks trade - (Murray, #1) for (Keldon, #4, #8)
No. Murray is not worth both 4 and 8. One of the two picks and a couple of other protected 1sts.

NO's trade - (BI, Herb) for (Murray, Collins, #1)
Eventually doable but a round about way of getting there

Rusty gets his PG - Garland, 3&D value guard/wing Herb 12m/3yr value contract. Pop would love Herb on & off the court.

Spurs - Wemby, Herb, Garland
NO's - Sarr, Zion, Murray
Hawks - Maximize risk trading down for 4 & 8

I think the entire trade is a realistic option with just some tweaks

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Garland we've heard about. Lauri's a new one...

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Do you think NO's has to add value ? & if so, what exactly ?

I think it's a tough pill to swallow to trade a proven Herb for an unproven Sarr in this draft but the #1 pick is still a #1 pick & Hawks fans value it. Does NO's have to add value in fairness as an outside opinion of the 2 teams ?.

Take into consideration BI is currently at 30m & can be traded without Hunter in the deal. Hunter is in the deal so Hawks can extend BI without adding salary, so there's a bit of salary dump with Hunter though he might have some player value. For NO's who are looking to extend Murphy, they don't really need Hunter but can utilize him off the bench or flip him at 20m/4yrs.

I was listening to TSR (a Spurs fan channel) and one of the Hawks channel discussing trades yesterday and it seemed that If we wanted to trade for Trae, the Hawks expected up to 5 first rounders and Vassell. Now I think if the Spurs hear that they would simply drop the phone but I think it may be indicative of how the Hawks value their assets. They were taken advantage of big time by the Spurs in the Murray trade and are looking to replicate that in any future trades to avoid looking foolish.

If that is representative of the Hawks management, then I think the road to trading for Sarr is going to be extremely hard and I don't know if the Pelicans would or should trade in that environment.

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Garland we've heard about. Lauri's a new one...

One thing I know for sure is that this is a fan created rumor. Spurs would never leak anything and many Spurs fans (including me) love Markannen. Spurs would make the deal and we would find out afterward.

I'm not an expert on the situation in Utah but why on earth would they want to move him anyway? That doesnt sound very Danny Ainge like unless he is getting a steal in return.

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Do you think NO's has to add value ? & if so, what exactly ?

I think it's a tough pill to swallow to trade a proven Herb for an unproven Sarr in this draft but the #1 pick is still a #1 pick & Hawks fans value it. Does NO's have to add value in fairness as an outside opinion of the 2 teams ?.

Take into consideration BI is currently at 30m & can be traded without Hunter in the deal. Hunter is in the deal so Hawks can extend BI without adding salary, so there's a bit of salary dump with Hunter though he might have some player value. For NO's who are looking to extend Murphy, they don't really need Hunter but can utilize him off the bench or flip him at 20m/4yrs.

I was listening to TSR (a Spurs fan channel) and one of the Hawks channel discussing trades yesterday and it seemed that If we wanted to trade for Trae, the Hawks expected up to 5 first rounders and Vassell. Now I think if the Spurs hear that they would simply drop the phone but I think it may be indicative of how the Hawks value their assets. They were taken advantage of big time by the Spurs in the Murray trade and are looking to replicate that in any future trades to avoid looking foolish.

If that is representative of the Hawks management, then I think the road to trading for Sarr is going to be extremely hard and I don't know if the Pelicans would or should trade in that environment.

Absurd

All kinds of rumors the Bulls want to move up for a couple players (Buzelis and Clingan) they could grab at #4 with a pick swap if we were interested. (I dont think the guys they want would be there at #8) Do you like anyone on that roster Grey?

Coby White fits the timeline and who wouldnt want Caruso coming off your bench if you were trying to win games? Even if he is on the wrong side of 30. Those are cheaper realistic options. I have zero interest at all in DeRozan or LaVine and Vucevic is too old for our timeline.

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Huh...

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Garland we've heard about. Lauri's a new one...

One thing I know for sure is that this is a fan created rumor. Spurs would never leak anything and many Spurs fans (including me) love Markannen. Spurs would make the deal and we would find out afterward.

I'm not an expert on the situation in Utah but why on earth would they want to move him anyway? That doesnt sound very Danny Ainge like unless he is getting a steal in return.

Totally agree. While I would like Lauri, the price set by Ainge would be incredulous which I am sure the Spurs would not be willing to pay. Lauri would be a good fit but not at the price the Jazz would be expecting.

Ainge seems to be caught in this perpetual trading loop where it seems more important to be seen to be winning trades rather than building a winning team.

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All kinds of rumors the Bulls want to move up for a couple players (Buzelis and Clingan) they could grab at #4 with a pick swap if we were interested. (I dont think the guys they want would be there at #8) Do you like anyone on that roster Grey?

Coby White fits the timeline and who wouldnt want Caruso coming off your bench if you were trying to win games? Even if he is on the wrong side of 30. Those are cheaper realistic options. I have zero interest at all in DeRozan or LaVine and Vucevic is too old for our timeline.

The problem I have with the Bulls is that they have nothing other than Caruso the Spurs would want to trade for so picks would have to fill out the deal and if I am the Bulls, I am keeping my picks as they could be in for a significant fall in wins.

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I was listening to TSR (a Spurs fan channel) and one of the Hawks channel discussing trades yesterday and it seemed that If we wanted to trade for Trae, the Hawks expected up to 5 first rounders and Vassell. Now I think if the Spurs hear that they would simply drop the phone but I think it may be indicative of how the Hawks value their assets. They were taken advantage of big time by the Spurs in the Murray trade and are looking to replicate that in any future trades to avoid looking foolish.

If that is representative of the Hawks management, then I think the road to trading for Sarr is going to be extremely hard and I don't know if the Pelicans would or should trade in that environment.

Absurd

All kinds of rumors the Bulls want to move up for a couple players (Buzelis and Clingan) they could grab at #4 with a pick swap if we were interested. (I dont think the guys they want would be there at #8) Do you like anyone on that roster Grey?

Coby White fits the timeline and who wouldnt want Caruso coming off your bench if you were trying to win games? Even if he is on the wrong side of 30. Those are cheaper realistic options. I have zero interest at all in DeRozan or LaVine and Vucevic is too old for our timeline.

Pretty much the 2 you mentioned. I'm even off the Patrick Williams train, and I was the conductor of that one. Don't think he should have been put in a starting role to start his career, was overwhelmed in it, and now looks to have consistency of motor issues. Off that train.

But not sure we can't get with Castle and Carter what we'd have to pay more dearly for in a trade for White and Caruso.

We do need more experience, but I would prefer to look elsewhere. Plus we need their pick to be outside bottom 10 or 11 next season to convey to us, so better they keep guys who can do that for them (well, for us).

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All kinds of rumors the Bulls want to move up for a couple players (Buzelis and Clingan) they could grab at #4 with a pick swap if we were interested. (I dont think the guys they want would be there at #8) Do you like anyone on that roster Grey?

Coby White fits the timeline and who wouldnt want Caruso coming off your bench if you were trying to win games? Even if he is on the wrong side of 30. Those are cheaper realistic options. I have zero interest at all in DeRozan or LaVine and Vucevic is too old for our timeline.

Pretty much the 2 you mentioned. I'm even off the Patrick Williams train, and I was the conductor of that one. Don't think he should have been put in a starting role to start his career, was overwhelmed in it, and now looks to have consistency of motor issues. Off that train.

But not sure we can't get with Castle and Carter what we'd have to pay more dearly for in a trade for White and Caruso.

We do need more experience, but I would prefer to look elsewhere. Plus we need their pick to be outside bottom 10 or 11 next season to convey to us, so better they keep guys who can do that for them (well, for us).

Agree, I would take Carter 10/10 times over Colby & what it would take to pry him.

I was also high & wrong about Williams, disappointing.

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IMO Lauri exploded under a great young coach in Utah. I think he's still the same player that the Bulls & Cavs moved on from. In Utah something like 90% of Lauri's made buckets are assisted.

Limited creation ability, poor defender & rebounder.

I think the minute he's traded into the wrong usage would be immediate buyers remorse. The flip side is Utah has maximized his value, so you're paying a premium to find out.

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IMO Lauri exploded under a great young coach in Utah. I think he's still the same player that the Bulls & Cavs moved on from. In Utah something like 90% of Lauri's made buckets are assisted.

Limited creation ability, poor defender & rebounder.

I think the minute he's traded into the wrong usage would be immediate buyers remorse. The flip side is Utah has maximized his value, so you're paying a premium to find out.

Didn't realise this about Lauri but I take your word for it. In that case, when the Spurs had difficulty passing to Wemby at times, I don't see how Lauri could be a target.