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GT: Mavericks vs. Spurs 

Post#1 » by Nolan » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:25 pm

When: 8:30 PM ET, March 23, 2012
Where: AT&T Center, San Antonio, TX

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Starting Lineups:

Mavericks:
PG - Jason Kidd
SG - Vince Carter
SF - Shawn Marion
PF - Dirk Nowitzki
C - Brendan Haywood

Spurs:
PG - Gary Neal
SG - Daniel Green
SF - Kawhi Leonard
PF - Tim Duncan
C - DeJuan Blair

Well no Parker tonight against the Mavericks so we're going to have to step up as team if we want to win this one.

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Post#2 » by co_laper » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:33 pm

Hope we win, not sure it'll happen. IMO it depends on which Manu we see tonight. Manu last year took control of this team and basically played like Parker this year. He attacked the rim consistently. So far since his return, he's not attacking the basket as much. Instead, he's creating for others more and shoot 3 pointers. It's as if he's just trying to fit in instead of taking control. With Parker out, we need Manu to be in that attack mode. If not Manu, Duncan or Sjax needs to be.
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Post#3 » by ahonui06 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:58 pm

Mavs are without Haywood & West
Spurs are without Parker, Bonner & Splitter

It's a battle of the walking wounded tonight. Spurs just need to double DIRK when he gets the ball and let others beat them. Mavs are an awful road team this year. Should be a win for San Antonio as long as they contain DIRK by doubling him hard.
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Re: GT: Mavericks vs. Spurs 

Post#4 » by Nolan » Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:53 am

Great win tonight. They had me nervous in the 3rd quarter but we pulled it out.
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Re: GT: Mavericks vs. Spurs 

Post#5 » by Frankie23 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:06 am

So excited with Jackson and Diaw additions!! They played great D against Dirk, specially Diaw.

Kawhi Leonard is just an amazing rookie, his hustling, rebounding and moving off the ball are great. Same as Danny Green, whe he doesn't have those "skills" attacks and plays selfish bb.

Good to see Eric Dawson enter the game and played like the Spurs were in Game 7 of the WCF in trash time.. Hope we kept him, that's the right attitude!
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Post#6 » by Black_Jack21 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:19 am

Great game for us. I think it's clear now that sjax came to the spurs ready to play.
He's only had 3 games for us and produced at a higher level than Jefferson.

Looking forward to getting all hands on deck and healthy. A ready to go Parker and Manu to go with the players we already have should cause quite a handful.

I still have concerns about fronting up to the lakers in a 7 game series with Bynum and Gasol. But we have a plethora of wing players to throw at Kobe and if we can control him to an extent we should be able to get I've the top of them.

I'm getting cautiously optimistic about out post season.
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Post#7 » by co_laper » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:38 am

Oh man... Wasn't that an exciting game? I caught myself clapping at my laptop and getting goosebumps.

Diaw is giving us something the others don't give us, and that's the ability to penetrate into the lane and get the ball to the shooters. We don't have that before. Bonner mostly spot up on the 3 point line. Blair is always the recipient of the pick and roll. Splitter is the same and has the low post game. A few times tonight, Diaw would get the ball about 16 feet out and drove to the lane and kick it out. And that's not mentioning the solid defense he played on Dirk when he got the chance. He played within himself and didn't force his shots or passes. Played tough defense. Got the rebounds he's supposed to get. What more can we ask for?

Jackson's contribution goes beyond his numbers. The one thing that stood out the most is his energy and his emotion. Really, it reminds me of when we got Mario Elie. And ofcourse I think a lot of us worried whether his shot selection was going to be an issue here. Where Jefferson turned simply into a spot up shooter in our offense, Jackson can still put the ball on the floor or get to the rim. That's the main differences between Jackson and Jefferson.

And I think Kawhi and Green was just simply awesome tonight. Their energy and defense fueled our offense. Really, our whole team played very well tonight. Not a single guy played bad. The worst was probably Gary Neal and he was alright tonight IMO. Even Eric Dawson came into the game hitting a jumper, blocked a shot, hit another jumper, and another jumper. Showing off the shooting touch. That sequence alone won me over even if the game is over. Bring him back!!!
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Post#8 » by co_laper » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:45 am

Oh, and I thought the highlight of the game was when Dirk finally had enough and got T-d. I mean, Kawhi was just boxing him out and he got frustrated. It's like all his frustration during the game was bottled up and finally let loose.

Dirk shot 5 of 21 tonight and atleast 16 of his shots were really really contested. I do recall some that he just got wide open or was his kind of shots the one legged fade away thing. But that was far too few and between.
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Post#9 » by co_laper » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:58 am

Interesting that Odom didn't play tonight. He's not injured.
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Post#10 » by ahonui06 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:06 am

co_laper wrote:Interesting that Odom didn't play tonight. He's not injured.


Odom is a scrub. He requested a buyout last month.
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Post#11 » by ahonui06 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:07 am

co_laper wrote:Oh, and I thought the highlight of the game was when Dirk finally had enough and got T-d. I mean, Kawhi was just boxing him out and he got frustrated. It's like all his frustration during the game was bottled up and finally let loose.

Dirk shot 5 of 21 tonight and atleast 16 of his shots were really really contested. I do recall some that he just got wide open or was his kind of shots the one legged fade away thing. But that was far too few and between.


Spurs did a good job on DIRK tonight. Putting a hand in his face and hoping he misses is the best thing you can do and luckily DIRK was ice cold tonight.
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Post#12 » by Ballings7 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:30 am

Big team win, love the look of the team a lot, been good all season, but with the additions has kicked things up

Like expected, S-Jax is simply a different player than Jefferson - this system or ANYWHERE

Diaw's a sweet pick-up, unexpected because of how cheap ownership's been the last 2 or 3 years (aside from RJ)

Milwaukee simply turned to be a bad fit for Jax because of the younger wings they already had commitments to, and Skiles wanted him to be a veteran support player off the bench - on an average Bucks team... not going to work with Jax.
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Post#13 » by SinJackal » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:10 pm

That was a fun game to watch. I never really felt stressed during the game except in the 3rd for a little. Spurs seemed to control the game almost the entire way through. Very impressive win. Ginobili looks to be getting about into good game shape now, and it really showed tonight with how he dominated.

If only our team could get healthy for once this year. :\

Boris Diaw looked kinda slow out there, but didn't look horrible or anything. I think he could stand to lose a good 15-20 lbs if that's even possible before we get too deep in the playoffs.


Ballingz, let's wait until Jackson's played 10 games before we herald it as a better fit. You post in like every thread about him after every game. He's averaging less rebounds and assists, and barely averages more points than RJ did. What's the big deal? You just like the flashier way he scores? Pfft.

RJ's also averaging 12.5/5/2 in GS right now. Compared to Jackson's 10.3/4/1 here. Once Jackson's FG% and 3pt% inevitably drops, his stats will likely be lower than RJ's across the board unless he starts trying harder and actually faciliates like he's been advertised as doing. All I've seen from him in that department so far is dumb turnovers on ill-advised passes into clogged passing lanes.
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Post#14 » by co_laper » Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:09 pm

Agree about Diaw. It would be better if he lose some weight. He definitely looks overweight out there.

As far as RJ, I think you can't compare his GS numbers to Jackson's Spurs numbers. If you want to compare numbers, atleast compare it to what he did here. But again, it's not about the numbers. It's his defense. His energy. His emotion. His edge. And the thing I like most is that he's not one dimensional on the offensive end like RJ did. I think even you have to acknowledge that Jefferson was mostly a spot up shooter here. He'll get the occasional lob passes like once every 3 games. I've always said that Jefferson simply looks like a Post-injury Sean Elliott. Jackson can do so much more on the floor and that's a different dimension than what Jefferson is. With Jefferson, when he's not getting open 3 point shots and making them, he's simply useless. You can argue that he still spaces the floor and doesn't make mistakes, but so far, Jackson also spaces the floor, plays within the system, and still effects the game even when he's not shooting.

Now about RJ, I personally think he can't be as bad as he was in SA. I mean, he was a near 20 point scorer in Milwaukee. A guy won't just suddenly lose all his skills unless he was coming off an injury. He wasn't a good fit here. Pop didn't tweak his system to fit Jefferson's skills. It was Jefferson who was forced to tweak his skills. We got away from Jefferson's best skills and forced him to be a spot up shooter. I've only watch one Jefferson game in GS just because I wanted to see how he plays and he's simply much more aggresive. He's getting the ball in spots that he never gets.
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Re: GT: Mavericks vs. Spurs 

Post#15 » by Eoghan » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:40 pm

Well, hopefully with those black jerseys and Texas heat, Diaw will sweat a little bit more out there than he did here in Charlotte.
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Post#16 » by Ballings7 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:13 pm

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Yes, I'm going to post about Jackson's play on a consistent basis (this doesn't mean every game, it means as a frequency)... why? Because the guy is a main player on the team. Just like Parker is. Just like Splitter is. Just like Jefferson was.

Deal with my fandom of Jackson, or go complain to somebody who might care that I like Jackson more than Jefferson for the team, that I'm posting about a player that I've followed for years and enjoyed. There's an ignore feature too if you just can't handle it.

Especially when it's credible because in specificity, comparing Jackson's Bucks tenure to his Spurs play and Bobcats play is like comparing a hamburger and a tuna sandwich. The roles are incredibily different, and the 2010 Bobcats were a better team than the Bucks team Jackson played on, and of course the culture of the Bobcats and Bucks compared to the Spurs environment are like the unemployment center and Chuckie Cheese's.

They're irrelevant to eachother.

If he ends up sucking, then I'll relate to what happened on here, just like I usually do for anybody else. But again, that isn't a favorable situation to occur.


SinJackal wrote:Ballingz, let's wait until Jackson's played 10 games before we herald it as a better fit. You post in like every thread about him after every game. He's averaging less rebounds and assists, and barely averages more points than RJ did. What's the big deal? You just like the flashier way he scores? Pfft.


More to the game than scoring, chap.

I don't remember seeing Jefferson play defense like Jackson can and has, much in his whole tenure in SA. Wasn't a bad defender sure, RJ was/is respectable, but there's still a difference. That doesn't show up in the stat sheet. Also, Jefferson left his rebounding ability in New Jersey, Jackson's been a more involved rebounder since Jefferson left NJ.

Also, there's only been three games so far with Jax, so yeah I'll post in just about all of them like I usually do.


co_laper wrote:As far as RJ, I think you can't compare his GS numbers to Jackson's Spurs numbers. If you want to compare numbers, atleast compare it to what he did here. But again, it's not about the numbers. It's his defense. His energy. His emotion. His edge. And the thing I like most is that he's not one dimensional on the offensive end like RJ did. I think even you have to acknowledge that Jefferson was mostly a spot up shooter here. He'll get the occasional lob passes like once every 3 games. I've always said that Jefferson simply looks like a Post-injury Sean Elliott. Jackson can do so much more on the floor and that's a different dimension than what Jefferson is. With Jefferson, when he's not getting open 3 point shots and making them, he's simply useless. You can argue that he still spaces the floor and doesn't make mistakes, but so far, Jackson also spaces the floor, plays within the system, and still effects the game even when he's not shooting.


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Post#17 » by SinJackal » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:25 am

co_laper wrote:As far as RJ, I think you can't compare his GS numbers to Jackson's Spurs numbers. If you want to compare numbers, atleast compare it to what he did here.


I already did, right before I mentioned his GS numbers. Jefferson's stats with SA were better than Jackson's with SA. I also feel they're a little bit deceptive too, because Ginobili has been injured all year, and RJ did very well with him. Just like Jackson is now, getting tons of open shots and assists off Ginobili. But despite that, RJ still put up decent stats. Especially from 3. Look how Jackson struggled from 3 tonight, bricking so many wide open shots. He's going to miss them more often than not. . .he is not Jefferson from beyond the arc. To make matters even more scary, Jackson missed a lot of layups tonight too (against the Hornets). If he can't even finish around the rim, we might's well just increase Leonard's minutes because he at least does that well, and doesn't shoot any worse from the arc (can't believe I even just gave Leonard props for his 3pt ability).

Once Jackson's shooting % comes down to normal after his couple of hot games, you'll have a more accurate presentation of what I predicted. Similar rebounding and assist numbers, lower 3pt%, probably similar FG%, maybe slightly better or worse since RJ's was down due to Ford and Ginobili being out all year, and yet, more FGAs and barely better PPG on inferior efficiency. In other words, a lateral movement at best, and a diminished 3pt game by the Spurs, and a player who's more content to dribble around and jack it up or dribble around and drive and force it up over 3 defenders. Exactly what we didn't need. The absence of that kind of player is precisely why SA has remained consistently good. . .we haven't settled on isolation ball like so many awful eastern conference teams tend to do.


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Yes, I'm going to post about Jackson's play on a consistent basis (this doesn't mean every game, it means as a frequency)... why? Because the guy is a main player on the team. Just like Parker is. Just like Splitter is. Just like Jefferson was.


His role isn't even as close to as significant as Parker's, or even Splitter's for that matter. Parker is 8th in the MVP standings right now and been the best player on the team this year. Jackson isn't even the 5th best player on the team. Parker, Duncan, Ginobili, Splitter, Leonard, Blair, then Jackson, and close to Jackson is Green, followed by Gary Neal who is having a bit of a down year due to having to play off position all year.


Deal with my fandom of Jackson, or go complain to somebody who might care that I like Jackson more than Jefferson for the team, that I'm posting about a player that I've followed for years and enjoyed. There's an ignore feature too if you just can't handle it.


Is that supposed to be a joke? I guess you just devalued your entire opinion by saying that though, thank you for saving me the time of trying to logically debate about it when you already have your mind made up regardless of the facts and information being presented to you, due to being a self-proclaimed stan of Jackson.

If he ends up sucking, then I'll relate to what happened on here, just like I usually do for anybody else. But again, that isn't a favorable situation to occur.


No you won't. He just had a bad night and you claimed he played really well.


SinJackal wrote:Ballingz, let's wait until Jackson's played 10 games before we herald it as a better fit. You post in like every thread about him after every game. He's averaging less rebounds and assists, and barely averages more points than RJ did. What's the big deal? You just like the flashier way he scores? Pfft.


More to the game than scoring, chap


Then talk about more than just their scoring, like I've been doing the whole time.


don't remember seeing Jefferson play defense like Jackson can and has, much in his whole tenure in SA. Wasn't a bad defender sure, RJ was/is respectable, but there's still a difference. That doesn't show up in the stat sheet. Also, Jefferson left his rebounding ability in New Jersey, Jackson's been a more involved rebounder since Jefferson left NJ.


That's because you're too busy hating on him to ever give him props. He's won us games with defense both this year and last year, getting some clutch steals or blocks.

Jefferson's is and always been a better rebounder than Jackson too. Other than 2011, Jefferson's TRB% has been higher than Jackson's every year they've been in the league at the same time, for their entire careers. I guess lying revisionist historian with an obvious agenda is your second job.


Also, there's only been three games so far with Jax, so yeah I'll post in just about all of them like I usually do.


Obviously, and you'll be saying how great he is even when he shoots 33%, and barely gets any boards or assist like usual, forcing up bad shots, blowing three layups, getting scored on a dozen times including "slipping" on the floor after getting crossed over twice. But he played great! Becuase. . .well, I guess because the Spurs won! And he scored double figures! Because everything else doesn't seem to matter to you.
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Post#18 » by batmana » Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:09 pm

Guys, I see that the Jackson v. Jefferson argument is spreading around all threads in our forum. I can't believe I just read that this was a bad game for Jackson when he really played well (I expect a statistical analysis proving I'm wrong about it).

And one other thing, Jefferson came advertised as a good defender. I was a bit surprised because, frankly, I never considered him a good defender. He tried with us but in his best games he was an OK defender. Overall, he was bad. Stephen Jackson is playing much better defense in comparison to RJ and he is one of the toughest Dirk defenders around. (I expect more numbers here proving I'm completely clueless).

Last but not least, I'm sick of hearing about the chucker Stephen Jackson, and about the bad teammate Stephen Jackson. I don't care if he was a bad teammate in Milwaukee or if he chucked more shots than he should in Charlotte. Whoever doesn't see he is being a terrific teammate and is playing within the system is clearly having an agenda. Yes, he maybe missed a couple of open shots tonight. Good luck with finding a player who doesn't miss an open shot every now and then.

I think first of all we are Spurs fans here so wouldn't it be better if we were rooting for all our players instead of trying to tell a future in which he jacks bad shots one after the other, his shooting percentages inevitably drop and turn into a bad teammate as a result. I just don't understand it. I'm no fortuneteller so I won't predict he will keep his good numbers or improve them or anything. But I expect him to continue being a great teammate and a great energy guy. Oh, and he's got some skills, too, he's not all energy. Let's give him that.

Frankly, this is my last post about Jackson v. Jefferson because it is irrelevant (RJ's not here anymore, wish him all the best in GS) and because unlike another poster here, I don't have agendas to prove.
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Post#19 » by Ballings7 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:27 pm

Another book put out by the author known as "Sin Jackal" - sorry chap, but I already read the first one that was released. Your sales are indicative to drop off.
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Post#20 » by SinJackal » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:40 pm

batmana wrote:stuff.


I never said he was a chucker or a bad teammate, I said he was a volume scorer and inefficient. I also said he occaisionally dribbled around and took bad shots, which is anti-Spurs. Hence, what I didn't like about him.

The reason I even bothered posting so much about this is because many Spurs fans on here were lying about Jefferson and playing revisionist historian. I decided to correct them because there was way too much Jefferson bashing when he was part of a 61 win team last year. I don't know about all of you, but I was really excited to watch the Spurs again for the first time since 2008. At the same time, there was a deluge of overhype about Jackson, despite poor stats this year. So I posted some stuff about each guy.

it isn't an "agenda" either. I've noticed people with horrible failing arguments love to throw out labels to discredit the other opinion. Unfortunately for you, just because you label something, does not make it so. I have no agenda besides to speak the truth and spread factual information. Perhaps at the same time prevent some baseless bashing on a guy who played well here and some overrating before any accomplishments have been had.

You guys hated RJ because you expected more and he had a high salary. I get it. But he was far from a bad player like is being claimed. You guys are the only ones with agendas here. Stop bashing guys just because they're gone. Different isn't always better, that's the message.


Ballings7 wrote:Another book put out by the author known as "Sin Jackal" - sorry chap, but I already read the first one that was released. Your sales are indicative to drop off.


Translation: Your argument was bad and you clearly lost on every point, so you're pretending that you don't care about it anymore despite the fact that you're still talking about it. Cute.

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