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I've been patiently waiting for him to turn things around but it just isn't happening. His defense has still been great but his inability to do anything useful on the offensive end has really hurt our starting unit.

With LMA in the fold we need a starting SG that can create off the pick and roll and finish in the paint and we have a guy that fits that MO sitting on the bench in Jonathon Simmons. The five man unit of Parker, Simmons, Kawhi, LMA and Duncan has been dynamite in limited minutes (+67 point diff in their 15 minutes played together).

Danny's too big of a liability to keep playing with the first unit and playing with Manu, Patty and Boris might actually help him get his groove back. He won't have do as much off the dribble playing with those three and he can just focus on making shots.

Thoughts??

it has to happen.

Like i've said in the past, his defence has never been in question but when you're straight garbage on offence there's only so much time you have left before you HAVE to get benched. It's starting to effect us a bit more than we think. More than one occasion we've had a steal, Danny's taken it up the court, has a FREE look but passes it off. Now it's worked out just fine up until now but it just shows that he doesn't trust himself. Come play-offs **** like that will lose us games. And i think i was horribly wrong about his cutting into the paint...jesus.

You're right, play him in the 2nd string, get him lots of open looks and help get his confidence back. I won't give up on him but it needs to happen.

Simmons can do what Danny cant, run into the paint and finish/pass the ball off SAFELY. He's a rookie but he ain't a kid. He doesn't give a **** who you are, he'll play you and run the system just fine.

needs to be benched... to another team

He played garbage time and connected an oop. 4 points, baby!

I still don't agree with him playing great D. There was a stat a couple weeks back showing defensive lineups and Green was technically the 9th best defender on the team based on points allowed, fg% etc when he is on the court.

I think that shows his mistakes and general lack of confidence in himself and by his teammates has extended to the defensive end.

He also gets blown by pretty easily and often this year.

Phreak50 wrote:I still don't agree with him playing great D. There was a stat a couple weeks back showing defensive lineups and Green was technically the 9th best defender on the team based on points allowed, fg% etc when he is on the court.

I think that shows his mistakes and general lack of confidence in himself and by his teammates has extended to the defensive end.

He also gets blown by pretty easily and often this year.

Yeah i'm kinda seeing him have more lapses on that end as well but I still think he plays pretty great D for most of the game.

You guys think that this is just a confidence thing? Or is he hurt? Or what?

Nolan wrote:

Phreak50 wrote:Or what?

honestly i think he is past his use by date, i dont see much future value from green at all

some players only have a couple of decent seasons and a big game or two in them

only reason his still on the team is due to defense and rebounding...

this clown needs to shoot t he 3 every time his open, dont put the ball onto the floor or do stupid leaning jumpers

My problem with Simmons at this point is his decision making. Sometimes he just makes the wrong moves. He has the skills to play both ends; he just needs more experience. We are winning so why leap to fix what is not broken. It is not like Simmons is stuck on the bench with no playing time; he is getting time with the bench and with the starters.

I don't think he is ready yet for the responsibility of being a starter. Give him more time before throwing him into the starting role. Do it too soon, and you risk undermining his confidence if he is not successful.We still have time before the playoffs to make the move if needed.

And we still need Danny. His defense is still much better than Simmons and when hot his threes are deadly. Hopefully he will come out of his shooting slump.

spurcase wrote:My problem with Simmons at this point is his decision making. Sometimes he just makes the wrong moves. He has the skills to play both ends; he just needs more experience. We are winning so why leap to fix what is not broken. It is not like Simmons is stuck on the bench with no playing time; he is getting time with the bench and with the starters.

I don't think he is ready yet for the responsibility of being a starter. Give him more time before throwing him into the starting role. Do it too soon, and you risk undermining his confidence if he is not successful.We still have time before the playoffs to make the move if needed.

And we still need Danny. His defense is still much better than Simmons and when hot his threes are deadly. Hopefully he will come out of his shooting slump.

I don't think it'd hurt to put him in against middle of the pack teams just to see if he can hang with them to begin with.
I mean he's not a kid like most rookies and he's fought pretty damn hard to even get a look in with an NBA team so i think his confidence wouldn't be bruised too bad if he were shown up once or twice.

The only reason i'm more in favour of him starting now is simply because Danny provides nothing to offence now. Not even spacing really, teams know he's ice cold so why guard him close? He can't even sink open looks right now.

His defence is still important for us. During this year he's lapsed a bit in general yes but i don't particularly want to think about a spurs team without it.

spurcase wrote:My problem with Simmons at this point is his decision making. Sometimes he just makes the wrong moves. He has the skills to play both ends; he just needs more experience. We are winning so why leap to fix what is not broken. It is not like Simmons is stuck on the bench with no playing time; he is getting time with the bench and with the starters.

I don't think he is ready yet for the responsibility of being a starter. Give him more time before throwing him into the starting role. Do it too soon, and you risk undermining his confidence if he is not successful.We still have time before the playoffs to make the move if needed.

And we still need Danny. His defense is still much better than Simmons and when hot his threes are deadly. Hopefully he will come out of his shooting slump.

I'm really not worried about that with Simmons, he seems like the kinda guy that's just going to work harder if he struggles.

A move to the bench for Danny could really damage his confidence, but it seems like that's already at an all time low.

Nolan wrote:

spurcase wrote:My problem with Simmons at this point is his decision making. Sometimes he just makes the wrong moves. He has the skills to play both ends; he just needs more experience. We are winning so why leap to fix what is not broken. It is not like Simmons is stuck on the bench with no playing time; he is getting time with the bench and with the starters.

I don't think he is ready yet for the responsibility of being a starter. Give him more time before throwing him into the starting role. Do it too soon, and you risk undermining his confidence if he is not successful.We still have time before the playoffs to make the move if needed.

And we still need Danny. His defense is still much better than Simmons and when hot his threes are deadly. Hopefully he will come out of his shooting slump.

I'm really not worried about that with Simmons, he seems like the kinda guy that's just going to work harder if he struggles.

A move to the bench for Danny could really damage his confidence, but it seems like that's already at an all time low.

Wasn't he benched for Bellineli for months or something?

ChosunX wrote:Wasn't he benched for Bellineli for months or something?

It wasn't for months but I remember he was benched for Marco in a couple games in 13/14 just for matchup reasons if I remember right.

Danny is hot tonight. Hope this is a sign of things to come. His stroke is so smooth when he is on. Damn, we still need him if we want to win it all.

spurcase wrote:Danny is hot tonight. Hope this is a sign of things to come. His stroke is so smooth when he is on. Damn, we still need him if we want to win it all.

Heck we might need 3 more D league surprises like JSimms to beat GSW. There is no way anything can be left to chance this year.

spurcase wrote:Danny is hot tonight. Hope this is a sign of things to come. His stroke is so smooth when he is on. Damn, we still need him if we want to win it all.

We definitely do.

Last night was a solid performance and I hope he can build on it but if doesn't something needs to be done sooner rather than later.

I understand all the Danny Green hate, but It would be more advantageous for us to figure out whats going on and fix it rather than shove him to the bench. He needs to play if he's going to get back into a groove which I hope happens sooner than later. The team is being overly patient with him but we can afford too at the moment. I like Simmons, but he isn't the perimeter scorer we would need at the two right now. We have plenty of time to either wait for Danny to get it back together or let Simmons grow into the role. Honestly, we are 38-6 with Green playing like crap and Simmons getting comfortable. It will work itself out.

imagump1313 wrote:I understand all the Danny Green hate, but It would be more advantageous for us to figure out whats going on and fix it rather than shove him to the bench. He needs to play if he's going to get back into a groove which I hope happens sooner than later. The team is being overly patient with him but we can afford too at the moment. I like Simmons, but he isn't the perimeter scorer we would need at the two right now. We have plenty of time to either wait for Danny to get it back together or let Simmons grow into the role. Honestly, we are 38-6 with Green playing like crap and Simmons getting comfortable. It will work itself out.

Very true. But it's been 44 games and he really hasn't shown any signs of turning things around, maybe cutting his minutes isn't the answer but maybe a different role will help him get his mojo back.

Green needs to come alive tonight from the 3 point range. Even though spurs have Manu, Kawhi, Mills and Diaw to take care of three pointers, they need danny green just to create that space.

is this clown and patty mills going to turn their season around?