RealGM

There seems to be a of a battle going on between these two over last month or so for consistent minutes in the rotation. Neither guy has really secured the spot (both have been pretty meh) but with the playoffs coming the rotation is going to get tighter and in all likely hood one of these guys is going to be sitting a lot in the playoffs.

Who do you prefer?

Simmons. At least he tries to get his offense going. Only thing Anderson has over him is his length and basketball IQ.

I'd keep Simmons, unless Anderson randomly wakes up and decides to change his career around by being more of a force. His fadeaway and 3-pt game ain't that bad

Cycloneon wrote:Simmons. At least he tries to get his offense going. Only thing Anderson has over him is his length and basketball IQ.

I'd keep Simmons, unless Anderson randomly wakes up and decides to change his career around by being more of a force. His fadeaway and 3-pt game ain't that bad

Anderson's been a bit more aggressive lately. He needs to start looking for his shot more and being more decisive. The thing that I love about Kyle is what he brings on the defensive end, he's so underrated on that side.

I do love the spark that Simmons brings though.

anderson needs to be more aggressive on offense, he creates alot of mismatches and can easily penetrate for easy baskets, but his approach to the game offensively is a lame duck...he is scared of making mistakes = straight to bench and gets chewed out
he has a good jumpshot, but needs more touches to be confident? give the guy the green light imo...
defense has improved especially man to man defense, not concern with blocking shots, thats not his strength, he knows how to use his length well

simmons attacks the rim hard, plays hard, defense is top notch but refs will always call a foul or give him the benefit of the doubt, problem is he doesnt shoot much or spread the floor for other players...defenders know he aint shooting cause his always looking to attack the rim, what i want to see more from him is attacking the rim without the ball with cuts and stuff....

i dont think there is anything wrong with t he roster atm besides the pg position, parker/mills slow and undersized always getting bullied...forbes and murry need more minutes, both have different games, i think one of them wont be brought back, spurs to waste another pick on pg or sign a vet


as for the bigs? lee/pau/dedmon is good...need lma to play like the max contract we sign him for, needs to bully down low instead of opting for turn around jumpshots over midget defenders

Nolan wrote:

Cycloneon wrote:Simmons. At least he tries to get his offense going. Only thing Anderson has over him is his length and basketball IQ.

I'd keep Simmons, unless Anderson randomly wakes up and decides to change his career around by being more of a force. His fadeaway and 3-pt game ain't that bad

Anderson's been a bit more aggressive lately. He needs to start looking for his shot more and being more decisive. The thing that I love about Kyle is what he brings on the defensive end, he's so underrated on that side.

I do love the spark that Simmons brings though.

Question for Nolan and the board at large. Do you think Anderson can replace Green on D? Defensive metrics say he's in the same ball-park:

DRPM 3.11 for Kyle, 1.91 for Danny Simmons 1.69 (from http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/2 )
DPBM 3.7 Anderson, 2.6 Green 1.2 Simmons (from http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2017.html )
DWS/48 .097 Anderson .080 Green .076 Simmons (calculated from http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2017.html using minutes played and DWS)

Defensive on Court/Off Court (lower is better) -7.3 Simmons -5.1 Anderson 0.0 Green ( http://www.82games.com/1617/16SAS8.HTM#onoff http://www.82games.com/1617/16SAS7.HTM#onoff and )

Opponent PER at SG 19.4 Simmons 15.9 Anderson 15.9 Green
Opponent PER at SF 9.2 Simmons 17.6 Anderson 12.1 Green
( above from 82games.com )

If this would work, Green becomes a potentially valuable trade piece. Would you consider a Parker + Green + 2017 1st Salary dump to open a max slot? (say to chase Chris Paul)

pad300 wrote:
Question for Nolan and the board at large. Do you think Anderson can replace Green on D? Defensive metrics say he's in the same ball-park:

DRPM 3.11 for Kyle, 1.91 for Danny Simmons 1.69 (from http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/2 )
DPBM 3.7 Anderson, 2.6 Green 1.2 Simmons (from http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2017.html )
DWS/48 .097 Anderson .080 Green .076 Simmons (calculated from http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2017.html using minutes played and DWS)

Defensive on Court/Off Court (lower is better) -7.3 Simmons -5.1 Anderson 0.0 Green ( http://www.82games.com/1617/16SAS8.HTM#onoff http://www.82games.com/1617/16SAS7.HTM#onoff and )

Opponent PER at SG 19.4 Simmons 15.9 Anderson 15.9 Green
Opponent PER at SF 9.2 Simmons 17.6 Anderson 12.1 Green
( above from 82games.com )

If this would work, Green becomes a potentially valuable trade piece. Would you consider a Parker + Green + 2017 1st Salary dump to open a max slot? (say to chase Chris Paul)

While I'm not surprised that the advanced numbers show that they're almost on par defensively (great work presenting that data by the way) Danny's ability to guards opposing PG's and prevent penetration is what makes him so valuable to us, Kyle just isn't quick enough to do that for extended periods of time.

So basically I don't think Kyle could replace Danny full time and I wouldn't be willing to include him in a deal to clear cap space. I also don't see us ever trading Tony, he'll retire a Spur.

Also once again great post my friend.

Nolan wrote:While I'm not surprised that the advanced numbers show that they're almost on par defensively (great work presenting that data by the way) Danny's ability to guards opposing PG's and prevent penetration is what makes him so valuable to us, Kyle just isn't quick enough to do that for extended periods of time.

So basically I don't think Kyle could replace Danny full time and I wouldn't be willing to include him in a deal to clear cap space. I also don't see us ever trading Tony, he'll retire a Spur.

Also once again great post my friend.

Yeah, I don't see us trading TP either, however, with TP as lead PG, I cannot take us seriously as title contenders.

Given that, if Chris Paul came to us, and said he wants a real ring shot (which he hasn't ever really had), how could we turn him down? Paul and Kawhi is a core pairing to match Durant and Curry... Which we are going to have to do to really compete.

The only ways I can see making enough room to do it would be dumping either A) Green and Parker, B) Green and Gasol or C) Aldridge. Of those, dumping Aldridge makes ring shot much less likely and Gasol is playing way better than TP; further, Chris Paul would be taking Parker's starting spot anyhow...

It's the choice between burning at least a couple of years of Kawhi's prime without ring shot, and loyalty to TP. I am thinking the FO might go for it. The FO can be pretty brutal at times - see the Bowen trade, and letting SJax walk the first time, ...

i have this feeling that the spurs will be in a kind of transition phase until tony retires and this really causes problems because like you have said, it will waste some of kawhi's prime.

i very very very much doubt the FO will shift parker before he retires, i mean this guy was finals mvp for the spurs... gave a speech at TD's retirement... you just cant trade him ever imo.

it is a very difficult situation, there will be some interesting discussions in san antonio this off season that's for sure.

pad300 wrote:

Nolan wrote:While I'm not surprised that the advanced numbers show that they're almost on par defensively (great work presenting that data by the way) Danny's ability to guards opposing PG's and prevent penetration is what makes him so valuable to us, Kyle just isn't quick enough to do that for extended periods of time.

So basically I don't think Kyle could replace Danny full time and I wouldn't be willing to include him in a deal to clear cap space. I also don't see us ever trading Tony, he'll retire a Spur.

Also once again great post my friend.

Yeah, I don't see us trading TP either, however, with TP as lead PG, I cannot take us seriously as title contenders.

Given that, if Chris Paul came to us, and said he wants a real ring shot (which he hasn't ever really had), how could we turn him down? Paul and Kawhi is a core pairing to match Durant and Curry... Which we are going to have to do to really compete.

The only ways I can see making enough room to do it would be dumping either A) Green and Parker, B) Green and Gasol or C) Aldridge. Of those, dumping Aldridge makes ring shot much less likely and Gasol is playing way better than TP; further, Chris Paul would be taking Parker's starting spot anyhow...

It's the choice between burning at least a couple of years of Kawhi's prime without ring shot, and loyalty to TP. I am thinking the FO might go for it. The FO can be pretty brutal at times - see the Bowen trade, and letting SJax walk the first time, ...

While I kinda agree I doubt that we'd be able to dethrone the Warriors even with CP3. subtract Tony and add CP3 and maybe we could challenge them but we can't afford to lose another core piece like LMA, Green or Pau.

alexb618 wrote:i have this feeling that the spurs will be in a kind of transition phase until tony retires and this really causes problems because like you have said, it will waste some of kawhi's prime.

i very very very much doubt the FO will shift parker before he retires, i mean this guy was finals mvp for the spurs... gave a speech at TD's retirement... you just cant trade him ever imo.

it is a very difficult situation, there will be some interesting discussions in san antonio this off season that's for sure.

It's a tough and strange situation for us. I think we're going to have to heavily rely on internal development going forward. If Murray makes some major strides over the next year or so we might actually be in a pretty decent spot with our PG rotation.

Tony's going to have to go the bench eventually though (like soon). The PG position around the league has become so deep and he just can't hang with these guys night in night out. I can't remember which of the beat writers it was but one of them pointed out that Tony needs to make a Jason Kidd like transition this summer, accept that he isn't the player he was once was and work on his game off the ball. He needs to become a reliable spot up shooter (which I think he very capable of becoming) and a solid defender.

Spurs won 5 titles in Duncan's 19 years and could have won 6. Why don't some Spurs fans exercise patience and trust in the front office? This was supposed to be a transition year and the team is poised to win 60 games and has a puncher's chance at the title.

The entitlement is disgusting.

Chuck Everett wrote:Spurs won 5 titles in Duncan's 19 years and could have won 6. Why don't some Spurs fans exercise patience and trust in the front office? This was supposed to be a transition year and the team is poised to win 60 games and has a puncher's chance at the title.

The entitlement is disgusting.

I definitely agree with you. Some of us are spoiled.

No matter what we or anyone other team does the Warriors are going to be favorites for a while. Making drastic moves to chase them probably isn't the best plan, we gotta do our thing and wait for our window.

Chuck Everett wrote:Spurs won 5 titles in Duncan's 19 years and could have won 6. Why don't some Spurs fans exercise patience and trust in the front office? This was supposed to be a transition year and the team is poised to win 60 games and has a puncher's chance at the title.

The entitlement is disgusting.

I don't think we are entitled to win; therefore it behooves the team to make the most of it's chances...

If the team has a chance of putting a second MVP candidate beside Kawhi, I think the team is obliged to try. I am not sure the opportunity is there, after all, I think the Clips will put a full max in front of Paul (5 yrs, ~ $195 million vs a 4 yr max from other team ~ $130 million), and he might go for the money. But if he wants a ring, I think he needs to move, and realistically, we are the only current contender that he can be confident has a hole at PG (contenders: CLE Kyrie, GS Curry, HOU Harden, potential contenders: OKC/wherever Westbrook, TOR ?Lowry?, WAS Wall, BOS Isiah ), and has a FO and squad that can stay competitive for the next 4 years.

both are peaking atm, hopefully that carries over into the playoffs and not buried on the bench

Simmons hit some 3's last night but Anderson looked even better. Really starting to look like Kyle has surpassed Simmons in the pecking order.

i like simmons but anderson is pretty consistent and consistency wins games...

as for anderson replacing green's defence, no.

i dunno about you guys, but i think simmons and anderson currently now are far superior players or overtaken danny green who has reach his ceiling with no further improvement...i guess it will come down to price:production whether keep both or either one...

simmons is raw, but other facets of his game that he excels at are his advantages over danny green, for example
- playing hard,
- finishing hard at the rim whether its dunks/layups,
- putting ball onto floor whether its fast break or halfcourt,
- defense is benefit of the doubt with refs,

- only downside is shooting efficiency cause he cant shoot or spread the floor, im certain patfo can still improve his jumpshot ...he still has untapped skillset the spurs can still tap into that will make a him complete player....

anderson
- can put ball onto floor
- can shoot spread the floor (just too passive to pull the trigger)
- yes his slow, but he knows how to use his length to play defense, instead of allowing the man room to operate blow pass him to chase them down from behind like danny green (thats not anderson style)..his man2man defense is very good, especially disrupting the ball handler on the perimeter

- his weakness is only too passive offensively on the floor fearing a mistake is straight to the bench getting a ear load from pop, t hen losing all confidence...(should be given the green light if pop wants him to take on more responsibility being point/forward without a playmaker on the floor)

i think these 2 players have so far overtaken green, the skills just dont overlap no more, green is given green light to do whatever he wants on the floor yet creates just as many mistakes, give anderson or simmons starters minutes or playing with the starters, u dont see many mistakes