realistic offseason

[letsgobulls23]

Although I am not a Spurs fan, nor do I watch much of their games outside of the playoffs, I do root for them year after year in the postseason and I do like a lot of their players.

I wanted to get the opinions of real SA fans, what direction do you want to see your team go this offseason? How much would you pay to keep Patty Mills? Would you match any offer for Simmons? I'm assuming you would move Aldridge for the right deal. Is a Tony Parker trade something you'd like as a fan considering everything he has done and been a part of?

Just wanna get some better perspective from some of their fan base as to what moves make sense to you guys. As a Bulls fan, I'd be willing to pay Patty Mills $15 million/year, given the current CBA. Is that crazy, or does he justify that deal?

[SFbaybum]

Yes, $15mil/year for Patty Millls sounds crazy.

[Cycloneon]

Apparently Simmons' max offer for the first year is $7.7m, so that is definitely beneficial for San Antonio

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Keeping Simmons is more than capable for us. Not sure about Dedmon. For some reason Pop just refused to play him. I don't see him staying because of that, and of course, there is more money elsewhere.

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Things they will be forced into: figuring out the future at the PG position.

Estimate for recovery from a full quadriceps tendon tear is something like 8-12 months: they cannot expect Parker to be starting PG next year, even if he comes back at all, he will need more time to get back into playing shape and rhythm. We will need a PG next year, and if we sign Patty or someone else, we will be committing for a significant portion of Kawhi's prime, (expect a 4 year contract, unless some tries to pull a 1+1). The salary will put a big hole in any FA plans for 2018. We could cheap out and go with Murray as lead and cheap veteran backups, but unless Murray blows up, that is essentially wasting a year of Kawhi's prime - which I am confident the team is unwilling to do.

My personal evaluation is that Patty Mills is not a player I want as a lead guard. I suspect that some team will offer Mills $15 Million + / year, for 4 years, and I would not match. I think that Murray looks quite good as a prospect and I would be quite happy with him as 2nd PG for the next few seasons as he develops. This makes Patty's market value more than I would pay (as SAS).

Simmons is a likely someone we will match; his cap hold is something like $1.6 Million, which is cheap (We would not be able to get a comparable player for that price on the open market). We hold partial bird rights and he is an Arenas Rule FA - so we can match any offer... A team who wants Simmons either has to pay him more than we think he will be worth (which could get quite expensive), or come to an S&T deal.

Aldridge, as you say, is moveable for the right deal. The real factor is the overall situation though - they will move him to improve the team overall - eg. to sign CP3 - not necessarily for full value on the dollar. Further, they will consider SAS reputation with FA's when they deal. It would be one thing to deal Aldridge to facilitate a clear upgrade, that's business, it would be another to deal Aldridge just to get him off our team, despite his playoff performance.

Finally, TP. TP will only get dealt if he wants to retire. At that point they would be willing to put his deal to work as a cap thing. The other thing that I could see happen, would a be a waive and stretch, for the capspace, with a promise to pick him up again if he wants after next year (especially likely if the recovery looks like it will go long...)

Another maneuver the FO might try would be a Pau opt out and resign for less salary/more years a la RJ... Not sure if that scenario really buys anything though.

[ChuckChilly]

Sign Derrick Rose. Pops would rest him properly so that he could make it through the season.

[Nolan]

Sign Derrick Rose. Pops would rest him properly so that he could make it through the season.

Oh god no.

[Nolan]

The goal of this offseason is going to be retaining our own guys (but at the right price).

I'd like to see us keep at least 2 of Mills, Simmons and Dedmon. Right now for me it's a toss which of those two I want to keep around. I love Patty and I want him to stay, but at the right price. If the Parker injury didn't happen I'd say let him walk regardless and let's roll with Murray as our full time backup but keeping him now might not be such a bad plan. As for Simmons and Dedmon I'd love to have both of them back but like Mills the price has to be right.

As for other moves I wouldn't be opposed to an LMA trade but I don't think it's likely.

I think it's going to be another boring offseason for us.

[Movics]

Hey guys,

Do you think Ginobili will retire? My fellow countryman might replace him according to David Pick.

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[Nolan]

Hey guys,

Do you think Ginobili will retire? My fellow countryman might replace him according to David Pick.

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I'm really starting to think it's going to happen sadly.

I'd really like to see Hanga come over finally. I think it'll happen either way actually.

[giordunk]

I know the Spurs are the most well-run organization in the league but it still baffles me how good they are when they have these quality D-League/European stashes who are ready to jump in and contribute when the opportunity arises.

I think Tony still plays and starts purely just as a floor general... Eventually I'd like to see Murray start. Patty Mills I think is perfect in a Jason Terry role.

I wonder about Chris Paul to San Antonio - I think adding Chris Paul wouldn't be enough for the Spurs to win the Championship next season, but it will have great carryover to the development of Kawhi and eventually the Spurs will be able to win another championship within the next few years.

[Nolan]

I know the Spurs are the most well-run organization in the league but it still baffles me how good they are when they have these quality D-League/European stashes who are ready to jump in and contribute when the opportunity arises.

I think Tony still plays and starts purely just as a floor general... Eventually I'd like to see Murray start. Patty Mills I think is perfect in a Jason Terry role.

I wonder about Chris Paul to San Antonio - I think adding Chris Paul wouldn't be enough for the Spurs to win the Championship next season, but it will have great carryover to the development of Kawhi and eventually the Spurs will be able to win another championship within the next few years.

Murray has a real chance to steal the starting spot permanently from Tony next year.

He played so well during the playoffs, he did show his age a bit at times but if he continues to improve over the summer he'll have a real chance at blowing up next year. The stars are really aligning for him all he has to do is seize the opportunity.

[imagump1313]

I know the Spurs are the most well-run organization in the league but it still baffles me how good they are when they have these quality D-League/European stashes who are ready to jump in and contribute when the opportunity arises.

I think Tony still plays and starts purely just as a floor general... Eventually I'd like to see Murray start. Patty Mills I think is perfect in a Jason Terry role.

I wonder about Chris Paul to San Antonio - I think adding Chris Paul wouldn't be enough for the Spurs to win the Championship next season, but it will have great carryover to the development of Kawhi and eventually the Spurs will be able to win another championship within the next few years.

Murray has a real chance to steal the starting spot permanently from Tony next year.

He played so well during the playoffs, he did show his age a bit at times but if he continues to improve over the summer he'll have a real chance at blowing up next year. The stars are really aligning for him all he has to do is seize the opportunity.

I think we shouldn't overspend at PG. Stay away from the old PG's like Paul, Rose and Hill.

I think it might be cheaper and more reasonable to move Kawhi to point forward(Like Milwaukee does with Giannis) and find another 3 or 4 in free agency or trade if we could move Aldridge.
I heard an interview with SVG of Detroit today and he said he would listen to offers for anyone on the roster. Detroit has Caldwell-Pope as a RFA this summer so maybe we could pull off some type of deal so send Aldridge there for Caldwell-Pope and a swingman(Morris or Tobias Harris?)
The reason I'm soo interested in Caldwell Pope is because he's young, has good size for a 2 guard and plays good defense. He is a spot up shooter who would be perfect in the Spurs offense and can actually hit open threes(I think he is a younger version of Danny Green who can actually shoot)
Now we would still have a lot of work to do with the front court, but say we could pull off an LMA for Caldwell-Pope/Morris trade (I think we would have to throw in Danny Green or a similar contract to get Tobias Harris and Pope) Then we move Kawhi to Point forward and have Caldwell pope as the 2 guard, and actually move Danny Green to the 3 for his defense. Then you have Morris as your 4 and Dedmon or Gasol as your 5. This gives us a starting 5 that is mobile, plays good defense and its smallest player is Caldwell-Pope at 6'4"
We could even go small ball up front and use Anderson at the 4 and put Morris or Lee at the 5.
You have Murray who could start getting more minutes if you have a small PG that is a matchup problem. Start Murray and Green with Kawhi at the 3 and use Caldwell Pope off the bench with Kawhi back at his traditional 3.

I am most familiar with Detroit's players and SVG has stated he is open to anything and he might be someone out there who might take a flyer on Aldridge. I would really love to trade Aldridge/Green for Caldwell-Pope/Harris but I doubt we can swing that. And keep an open mind because Ive seen this first hand, Tobias Harris and Marcus Morris were tearing it up this fall for Detroit until the cancer Reggie Jackson returned and destroyed Detroit's chemistry.

[Nolan]

I know the Spurs are the most well-run organization in the league but it still baffles me how good they are when they have these quality D-League/European stashes who are ready to jump in and contribute when the opportunity arises.

I think Tony still plays and starts purely just as a floor general... Eventually I'd like to see Murray start. Patty Mills I think is perfect in a Jason Terry role.

I wonder about Chris Paul to San Antonio - I think adding Chris Paul wouldn't be enough for the Spurs to win the Championship next season, but it will have great carryover to the development of Kawhi and eventually the Spurs will be able to win another championship within the next few years.

Murray has a real chance to steal the starting spot permanently from Tony next year.

He played so well during the playoffs, he did show his age a bit at times but if he continues to improve over the summer he'll have a real chance at blowing up next year. The stars are really aligning for him all he has to do is seize the opportunity.

I think we shouldn't overspend at PG. Stay away from the old PG's like Paul, Rose and Hill.

I think it might be cheaper and more reasonable to move Kawhi to point forward(Like Milwaukee does with Giannis) and find another 3 or 4 in free agency or trade if we could move Aldridge.
I heard an interview with SVG of Detroit today and he said he would listen to offers for anyone on the roster. Detroit has Caldwell-Pope as a RFA this summer so maybe we could pull off some type of deal so send Aldridge there for Caldwell-Pope and a swingman(Morris or Tobias Harris?)
The reason I'm soo interested in Caldwell Pope is because he's young, has good size for a 2 guard and plays good defense. He is a spot up shooter who would be perfect in the Spurs offense and can actually hit open threes(I think he is a younger version of Danny Green who can actually shoot)
Now we would still have a lot of work to do with the front court, but say we could pull off an LMA for Caldwell-Pope/Morris trade (I think we would have to throw in Danny Green or a similar contract to get Tobias Harris and Pope) Then we move Kawhi to Point forward and have Caldwell pope as the 2 guard, and actually move Danny Green to the 3 for his defense. Then you have Morris as your 4 and Dedmon or Gasol as your 5. This gives us a starting 5 that is mobile, plays good defense and its smallest player is Caldwell-Pope at 6'4"
We could even go small ball up front and use Anderson at the 4 and put Morris or Lee at the 5.
You have Murray who could start getting more minutes if you have a small PG that is a matchup problem. Start Murray and Green with Kawhi at the 3 and use Caldwell Pope off the bench with Kawhi back at his traditional 3.

I am most familiar with Detroit's players and SVG has stated he is open to anything and he might be someone out there who might take a flyer on Aldridge. I would really love to trade Aldridge/Green for Caldwell-Pope/Harris but I doubt we can swing that. And keep an open mind because Ive seen this first hand, Tobias Harris and Marcus Morris were tearing it up this fall for Detroit until the cancer Reggie Jackson returned and destroyed Detroit's chemistry.

A Caldwell-Pope sign and trade deal is going to be hard to pull off. There's going to be a market for him in free agency (the Nets are going to throw a big deal at him) and while I do like him I'm not willing to throw max level money at him.

I do like the idea of more Kawhi at the four and just more small ball in general. Anderson and Bertans need more minutes next year, both of them can be difference makers.

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Another possible point guard fix: Trade for Ricky Rubio. Contract is ~14 Million for this year and next. Good player, but there has been persistent talk about him being available for the right trade.

Ricky Rubio
for
(Pau + ?Pick?) or (LMA)

[Nolan]

Another possible point guard fix: Trade for Ricky Rubio. Contract is ~14 Million for this year and next. Good player, but there has been persistent talk about him being available for the right trade.

Ricky Rubio
for
(Pau + ?Pick?) or (LMA)

I wouldn't do it. I like Ricky but he's not what we need. Also that deal would create a log jam at PG and a problem in the paint for us.

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Another possible point guard fix: Trade for Ricky Rubio. Contract is ~14 Million for this year and next. Good player, but there has been persistent talk about him being available for the right trade.

Ricky Rubio
for
(Pau + ?Pick?) or (LMA)

I wouldn't do it. I like Ricky but he's not what we need. Also that deal would create a log jam at PG and a problem in the paint for us.

Logjam at PG? Parker is in the last year of his deal, and will miss at least 1/2 next season by the most optimistic timeline I have heard. He could easily miss all of it; he's 35 and has a lot of mileage. Mills is an FA, and wouldn't be back if we did this. Murray can be backup pg, IMO he's not ready to start. Forbes is a shot in the dark, that I think we would be best quit of - he's supposed to be a 3pt shooter, and he hit 32% this year...

I will admit the paint will need work - but it's a lesser problem than starting PG

[Nolan]

Another possible point guard fix: Trade for Ricky Rubio. Contract is ~14 Million for this year and next. Good player, but there has been persistent talk about him being available for the right trade.

Ricky Rubio
for
(Pau + ?Pick?) or (LMA)

I wouldn't do it. I like Ricky but he's not what we need. Also that deal would create a log jam at PG and a problem in the paint for us.

Logjam at PG? Parker is in the last year of his deal, and will miss at least 1/2 next season by the most optimistic timeline I have heard. He could easily miss all of it; he's 35 and has a lot of mileage. Mills is an FA, and wouldn't be back if we did this. Murray can be backup pg, IMO he's not ready to start. Forbes is a shot in the dark, that I think we would be best quit of - he's supposed to be a 3pt shooter, and he hit 32% this year...

I will admit the paint will need work - but it's a lesser problem than starting PG

1/2 a season is extreme. The team hasn't released a timetable for his return yet but for that injury 4-6 months is common. That would have him coming back in November at the latest. Parker also has two years left on his deal.

I'm fine with rolling with Murray and whoever we pick up as a 3rd stringer for a couple months rather creating a massive whole in the paint that we really wouldn't have a way to fix just to get Rubio who really wouldn't move the needle much for us. Ricky can't shoot and can't play off the ball, he doesn't fit with Kawhi.

With the amount that Kawhi handles the ball I think we can survive a hole at PG we can't survive a season without a decent big.

[snowman]

How about IT4 and filler for Aldridge and a 2017 1st.

[imagump1313]

I wouldn't do it. I like Ricky but he's not what we need. Also that deal would create a log jam at PG and a problem in the paint for us.

Logjam at PG? Parker is in the last year of his deal, and will miss at least 1/2 next season by the most optimistic timeline I have heard. He could easily miss all of it; he's 35 and has a lot of mileage. Mills is an FA, and wouldn't be back if we did this. Murray can be backup pg, IMO he's not ready to start. Forbes is a shot in the dark, that I think we would be best quit of - he's supposed to be a 3pt shooter, and he hit 32% this year...

I will admit the paint will need work - but it's a lesser problem than starting PG

1/2 a season is extreme. The team hasn't released a timetable for his return yet but for that injury 4-6 months is common. That would have him coming back in November at the latest. Parker also has two years left on his deal.

I'm fine with rolling with Murray and whoever we pick up as a 3rd stringer for a couple months rather creating a massive whole in the paint that we really wouldn't have a way to fix just to get Rubio who really wouldn't move the needle much for us. Ricky can't shoot and can't play off the ball, he doesn't fit with Kawhi.

With the amount that Kawhi handles the ball I think we can survive a hole at PG we can't survive a season without a decent big.

I have to agree that rushing to sign one of these old expensive PGs is a mistake. Kawhi handles the ball most of the time anyway. We would be creating a redundancy that would not fit. What we need is a player that can do what Parker was doing when he was healthy. Driving and scoring, creating his own shot, moving the offense. This is when we were playing our best this year.

[duncan21]

Hey guys,

Do you think Ginobili will retire? My fellow countryman might replace him according to David Pick.

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I'm really starting to think it's going to happen sadly.

I'd really like to see Hanga come over finally. I think it'll happen either way actually.

HANGA TO ME ISN'T THAT MUCH IMPRESSIVE,EVEN THOUGHT HE IS EROPELEAUGE DPOY,HE IS LESS ATHELTIC THAN SIMMONS EVER BEEN,AND HE IS SAME OLD AS SIMMONS..............