Kawhi Out Indefinitely

Post #1 » by **Nolan** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:28 pm

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Boarder Patrol · Post #2 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:38 pm

What is going on with him? From what I've read a recovery this long for this injury only really occurs when the condition has already advanced to a chronic stage (which isn't quite as scary as it sounds but means much longer recovery times and chances of recurrence).

Post #3 » by **G R E Y** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:43 pm

Wait...what??! I think I'm going to cry...

I just posted how Pop looked subdued in the last couple of games, and the team, well we could see how they've been playing outside of AT&T Center, everyone looking a bit heavy. I wonder if they knew or what...

If it's a reassessment after each game, and there's something after his season high 28 minute game (in which he was excellent, gave us a teasing glimpse of what's to come) which didn't feel right, then you can't push and risk further injury. You just can't, no matter how disheartening the news is short-term.

Once the shock wears off, Pop and the Spurs have to rally around one another all the more.

I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and heart focused on 'indefinitely' being 'just at the right time' for him and for us.

:hug:

Post #4 » by **Nolan** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:38 pm

Boarder Patrol wrote:What is going on with him? From what I've read a recovery this long for this injury only really occurs when the condition has already advanced to a chronic stage (which isn't quite as scary as it sounds but means much longer recovery times and chances of recurrence).

Doesn't sound like it's to that stage. Just not progressing the way they like.

Read on Twitter

Post #5 » by **G R E Y** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:38 pm

It's not the same thing, so not comparable, but Kawhi's apparent shoulder tear was also 'indefinite'. No doubt this is a setback, and the Spurs always keep things close to their vest (hence the trickles of info being perceived as sometimes contradictory, if not more times frustrating, but imagine how much more so it must be for those actually involved), but we can't assume that 'indefinite' means anything in terms of how many games.

It may mean a long time, but I think this just gives the Spurs and Kawhi some breathing room, so that the start-stop nature of expectations - NBA, opposing teams and their fans' expectations, Spurs' fans, and Spurs themselves - now has a buffer for a while. Now the NBA office won't be feeling as if the Spurs are trying to circumvent any players-rest policies, fans won't be raging about not knowing whether they'll get to see their favourite player, and the Spurs players will be playing with the mentality - like they did at the outset of the season - that it's up to them, rather than relying on Kawhi to step in. It's not the kind of consistency we've been hoping for, but it is consistency, and the one we've got to work with.

"It hasn't responded the way we wanted it to," coach Gregg Popovich told the Express-News after the team's morning shootaround in Manhattan. "He's given it a shot. He's frustrated as hell. He wants to play badly. But if we're going to err, we're going to do it on the side of health and being wise." Leonard has yet to play on less than two days rest this season. He warmed up before Monday's loss in Atlanta hoping to finally clear that hurdle. He could not.
"He didn't feel right," Popovich said. "So I told him to just sit." That sitting will last a while. Leonard did not attend shootaround Wednesday in New York, having returned to San Antonio to continue with his rehab program.

The decision to shut Leonard down was a collaborative one between the coaching staff, medical team, and rehabilitation staff, with input from Leonard himself. "I'm probably more conservative than most," Popovich said, "but the trainers, the rehab people, the doctors, the coaches, we all talked about this for a long time."

"You try to react to how he feels after the games he's played in a little bit," Popovich said. "It just hasn't gone as well as we've wanted it to. So we're going to stop him for an indefinite period – I don't know how long that will be – to get more strength and hopefully get him back on the court."

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-shutting-down-Kawhi-Leonard-indefinitely-12504542.php

Post #6 » by **Nolan** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:39 pm

GREY 1769 wrote:Wait...what??! I think I'm going to cry...

I just posted how Pop looked subdued in the last couple of games, and the team, well we could see how they've been playing outside of AT&T Center, everyone looking a bit heavy. I wonder if they knew or what...

If it's a reassessment after each game, and there's something after his season high 28 minute game (in which he was excellent, gave us a teasing glimpse of what's to come) which didn't feel right, then you can't push and risk further injury. You just can't, no matter how disheartening the news is short-term.

Once the shock wears off, Pop and the Spurs have to rally around one another all the more.

I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and heart focused on 'indefinitely' being 'just at the right time' for him and for us.

I really hope they're just being super careful (which wouldn't be surprising) this just sucks for him and the team.

Throwback24 · Post #7 » by **Throwback24** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:59 pm

GREY 1769 wrote:Wait...what??! I think I'm going to cry...

I just posted how Pop looked subdued in the last couple of games, and the team, well we could see how they've been playing outside of AT&T Center, everyone looking a bit heavy. I wonder if they knew or what...

If it's a reassessment after each game, and there's something after his season high 28 minute game (in which he was excellent, gave us a teasing glimpse of what's to come) which didn't feel right, then you can't push and risk further injury. You just can't, no matter how disheartening the news is short-term.

Once the shock wears off, Pop and the Spurs have to rally around one another all the more.

I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and heart focused on 'indefinitely' being 'just at the right time' for him and for us.

Quad injuries are harder to come back from than hamstring injuries and more rare as well. Basketball players tend to shift their weight to the front of their feet which usually lends itself to more quad activity.

The very motion of extending one leg at a time is quad extensive. He could be looking at a time off since it's been reoccurring injury.

Post #8 » by **G R E Y** » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:13 pm

Throwback24 wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:Wait...what??! I think I'm going to cry...

I just posted how Pop looked subdued in the last couple of games, and the team, well we could see how they've been playing outside of AT&T Center, everyone looking a bit heavy. I wonder if they knew or what...

If it's a reassessment after each game, and there's something after his season high 28 minute game (in which he was excellent, gave us a teasing glimpse of what's to come) which didn't feel right, then you can't push and risk further injury. You just can't, no matter how disheartening the news is short-term.

Once the shock wears off, Pop and the Spurs have to rally around one another all the more.

I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and heart focused on 'indefinitely' being 'just at the right time' for him and for us.

Quad injuries are harder to come back from than hamstring injuries and more rare as well. Basketball players tend to shift their weight to the front of their feet which usually lends itself to more quad activity.

The very motion of extending one leg at a time is quad extensive. He could be looking at a time off since it's been reoccurring injury.

If I understand the description of this type of injury, TB, it's actually the tendon that is being affected -- not sure how that fares versus a muscle with respect to recovery. But from the reported info, it does not sound as if Kawhi had a setback in terms of aggravating the injury. This is instead a preferred method of management because he's not reaching the protocols to progress to the next stage as well as they'd like ie/ he still needs two days rest in between games, as opposed to moving on to playing every other day.

At least the whole, "Will he? Won't he?" every other game will be put to rest for a while, and the Spurs have to just get on with it while Kawhi recovers. Consistency for both, but separately for now, until the right time comes for them to come together again.

imagump1313 · Post #9 » by **imagump1313** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:40 am

Sounds to me like he is either re-aggravating the injury slightly when he plays or the team feels he is at risk of injuring something else trying to play through it.
A quad is rough. I was surprised he came back as soon as he did and I've mentioned in other threads he looks far from right. He wants to play and I think this is just the team putting its foot down and saying no for now.
And Grey hit the nail on the head saying the team wants to stop the question of weather he is playing every night.
Its still not a lost season as long as we get him right by march. There is still time.
Look at the bright side. Think about all the wear and tear he is missing right now during the dog days of the schedule. I still am being patient.

Boarder Patrol · Post #10 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:14 am

Nolan wrote:
Boarder Patrol wrote:What is going on with him? From what I've read a recovery this long for this injury only really occurs when the condition has already advanced to a chronic stage (which isn't quite as scary as it sounds but means much longer recovery times and chances of recurrence).

Doesn't sound like it's to that stage. Just not progressing the way they like.

Read on Twitter

OK, great to hear.

imagump1313 · Post #11 » by **imagump1313** » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:49 pm

See? Grey was right!

https://streamable.com/1acwu

Post #12 » by **G R E Y** » Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:13 am

^ The best part was Pop saying it wasn't for the whole year

Here's some more info about it:

“It’s not a setback,” a person close to Leonard told the Express-News, “just a regrouping.”

“He didn’t re-injure it,” Popovich said. “He was having pain, not right after the game, but the next day at noon or that kind of thing. The pain wasn’t dissipating. It wasn’t going in the right direction. It was going the other way.”

Unable to play back-to-back games and enduring pain in his right leg due to the injury, Leonard and the Spurs mutually agreed to allow him additional time to heal. They are hoping he could be ready to go after the All-Star break next month, sources told the Express-News.

http://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Leonard-s-latest-absence-no-setback-just-a-12511033.php